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Worldwide Beekeeping Resource Library => Books => Topic started by: Perry on August 18, 2017, 04:56:14 pm

Title: Great gift!
Post by: Perry on August 18, 2017, 04:56:14 pm
I had a customer who buys honey in 30 lb pails call today and he and his wife met me at the honey house. I gave them a tour and then let them fill their own 2 pails out of the bottling tank.
We yakked for a while and then as they were leaving Jerome gave me a box and said he wanted me to have it.
I opened it up and this is what was inside! :)

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There was even a funky old catalogue.

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Post by: Jen on August 18, 2017, 05:34:59 pm
Love pics 3 and 4 I like old covers like that. And the catalogue is just great. Those fellows are so neat and tidy.....  :D
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Post by: Wandering Man on August 18, 2017, 05:49:56 pm
What a kindness.  Love old books.
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Post by: apisbees on August 18, 2017, 06:05:30 pm
Books on how to beekeep when beekeeping was easy. Nice that they passed them on rather than recycling them as to what happens to a lot of books now.
Beckie and I are more interested in the publication date - edition #. It speaks so much to the original owner and the time and era that he kept bees.
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Post by: efmesch on August 19, 2017, 02:19:17 pm
It looks like you hit the jackpot.   Things like that turn people into more than just customers.  Next time he comes, you might want to give hime a special discount---after all, he did the "work" of filling the pails and earned his salary.  :occasion14:
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Post by: Mikey N.C. on August 20, 2017, 01:16:56 pm
Wow, what a collection.  Where did they find the older books ?
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Post by: Perry on August 20, 2017, 02:34:17 pm
I think waaaay back Jerome must have thought about getting into beekeeping but never did. Over time he slowly acquired a lot of these books and simply handed them to me. I see a bottle of mead in his future. :)
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Post by: Lburou on August 20, 2017, 03:31:50 pm
Good Karma pays Perry...always.  :)
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Post by: efmesch on August 20, 2017, 04:10:36 pm
Mead--that sounds great!
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Post by: riverbee on August 21, 2017, 01:04:19 am
wow perry!  some pretty cool books! like keith said....would like to know the pub dates on some of those good ol' oldies......!!! very, very cool!  what a gift of 'treasure'!

better be reading them babies, or be sending them off to me!............... :D :D :D
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Post by: efmesch on August 21, 2017, 11:12:49 am
I'll bet none of those books mention Varroa or SHB----Ahhh, the bliss of beekeeping in "the good old days"
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Post by: apisbees on August 21, 2017, 02:12:05 pm
I'll take that bet. there is one The Beekeepers Handbook But only because it is a 4th edition copy. In the original first printing in 1973 Varroa, Tracheal, African Bees, CCD, and all the drugs and chemicals used to treat them was still some other country's problem. Edition 4 was published in May 2011.
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Post by: riverbee on August 21, 2017, 11:45:49 pm
as keith said! the beekeeper's handbook, (updated frequently) great book! .......i have a copy of the 2nd (published 1986) and 3rd edition (3rd edition 1998)..........can't find the 2nd edition.........lol, probably lent it out and never got it back!  anyway, it does discuss varroa, parasitic mite syndrome, trachael mites, ahb and small hive beetle as well as many other pests and diseases and treatment.  this is a great manual on keeping bees for anyone starting out or looking for some extra info!  (updated versions).
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Post by: efmesch on August 22, 2017, 02:33:23 am
Oh well----So I lost that "bet"----Do you think we''ll ever get back to beekeeping books that no longer have to tell us how to treat hives for Varroa and SHB?
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Post by: Perry on August 22, 2017, 06:40:43 am
Oh well----So I lost that "bet"----Do you think we''ll ever get back to beekeeping books that no longer have to tell us how to treat hives for Varroa and SHB?

Sadly, I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. :sad:
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Post by: riverbee on August 23, 2017, 12:18:07 am
ef, like perry said, unfortunately i don't think so............ :sad:

it's a challenge anymore to keep bees, and the challenges are sometimes overwhelming. mites, pests, diseases, rotating frames, queen issues, overwintering issues.......my list goes on and on.......but you know what, not going to give up! i just roll with it as everyone else does and enjoy the bees!
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Post by: CBT on August 23, 2017, 07:45:51 am
Sometimes it's beautiful harmony and other times it's misery loves company.
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Post by: Les on August 23, 2017, 01:40:21 pm
I know you would never sell any of the books but the ABCXYZ of Bee Culture is worth a very tidy sum considering the condition and copyright date.  My eyes lit up when I saw that cover.  What an amazingly thoughtful gift.  Karma is a wonderful thing!
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Post by: apisbees on August 23, 2017, 03:42:55 pm
How do you know how old it is? Perry hasn't posted the edition number and publishing date yet for Beckie and my amusement.
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Post by: Perry on August 23, 2017, 03:47:42 pm
4th Edition, published 20011.
I am part way into it but am puzzled by some of the temperature data/bee activity they have. Some of it seems very wrong to me. ???
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Post by: apisbees on August 23, 2017, 03:56:19 pm
we are talking the ABC XYZ in Bee Culture By AI Root.
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Post by: Perry on August 23, 2017, 05:40:21 pm
July 1st 1920!
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Post by: apisbees on August 23, 2017, 06:41:47 pm
And I know some of those books are older than that. those old books don't come around that often so when so many show up at one time and in one place you have to suspect that they came from an old timer beekeeper that has past them on.
Which is the oldest? Is it "A Years Work in an Out Apiary" published by AI Root? 1908
River and I are drooling over your gift.
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Post by: Perry on August 23, 2017, 07:59:53 pm
I am listing the last "editions/printings":

A Manual of Beekeeping - Wedmore 1946
Bees - Khalifman (Russian book translated to English in 1953) received Stalin Prize 1951
The Life of The Bee - M. Maeterlinck 1901
Productive Beekeeping - Frank Pellet 1918
The Love of the Honey Bee - Tickner Edwards 1909 (3rd edition)
Nine Lectures on Bees Rudolf Steiner original 1923 in German (translated to English 1964)
A Years Work in an Out Apiary - Root 1908
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Post by: Les on August 23, 2017, 08:11:17 pm
Apis, even brand new it is not an inexpensive book.
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Post by: riverbee on August 23, 2017, 11:46:46 pm
"4th Edition, published 20011.
I am part way into it but am puzzled by some of the temperature data/bee activity they have. Some of it seems very wrong to me. ???"


well no wonder perry.............published in 20011................... :D :D :laugh:
LOL, had to make fun of the typo!

like keith said, the old beekeeping books when you find them are great treasures!  there is a great deal of history and info on keeping bees to glean info from! and like he said, i am envious perry!

the earliest book i have i think, is a copy of ABC XYZ OF BEE CULTURE; from 1908. the beekeepers name is printed inside on the 2nd page in fountain pen like this in old writing;

J  T Cox
     PISGAH
             KY


there are some notes in the book, excellent condition, sorta cool!

thanks for the listing perry!  some great old books!
Title: Re: Great gift!
Post by: Perry on August 24, 2017, 06:45:03 am
There are 3 pages of notes on the inside of the A.I.Root book as well. Two of them are fastened by postage stamp edges. :)

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Here is some of the information regarding temps that I'm not so sure I agree with. ??? Surprising for such a recent edition.

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Post by: apisbees on August 24, 2017, 06:32:30 pm
Thanks Perry, I know Beckie and I are excited for you as well as jealous of you. It took long enough to get you to post the publication dates, Only hinted about it on posts, 3, 9, 18, 20, and 22. Great addition to any beekeepers Library. Those books were written by some of the fathers of modern beekeeping. They pioneered the techniques, practices and some of the equipment that we still use today. Some of those authors didn't just write one book but published many books relating to specific facets of beekeeping.
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Post by: neillsayers on August 24, 2017, 06:57:52 pm
Wow, Perry, SCORE!!!!!!!


I have a few of those on ebooks. It's pretty cool to see how modern techniques evolved and why.
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Post by: riverbee on August 25, 2017, 12:14:15 am
"Here is some of the information regarding temps that I'm not so sure I agree with. ??? Surprising for such a recent edition."

the beekeepers handbook...........what info do you disagree with on the temps perry?  i think it's pretty generalized but think in the ball park ?
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Post by: apisbees on August 25, 2017, 01:18:37 am
The confusing part is that some of the temps stated are ambient temp in the hive around the cluster. Others are ambient temps outside the hive and yet some are center brood cluster temps and then there are ones that are for the temp of the actual clustering bees.
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Post by: Perry on August 25, 2017, 06:36:53 am
Right side of scale, from "queens does not fly", down to "workers cannot fly". I am skeptical of those 4 listings .
I have been led to believe queens will fly at 15 C, and certainly workers fly all the time when temps are less than 10 C.
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Post by: apisbees on August 25, 2017, 08:31:23 am
Workers will fly at temps less than 10 C but for only short durations as they can not maintain their body heat to sustain long flight for foraging.
The cluster forming 14 C is about wright, the difference between the bees staying loose in the hive when it is warmer and the bees using their bodies to insulate against the cold, to keep the brood area at brood temp. As the temp drops the outer cluster will get denser and more defined with the bees needing to be in the cluster for their own individual survival.
The queen and drone temps Their is temps that thy can fly at for short orientation flights and then temps that they will fly for longer mating flights. I know that cool weather while trying to get queens mated effects the rate of supersedure of the queens later on. But I will consede that these are optimal temps for good mating to occur. Not a temperature that you can have marginal success and end up with a poorly mated queen.
For mating you want the drones hanging out in drone congregating areas waiting for a queens.
I Don't disagree much with the numbers but they are not explained very well. Bees will adapted to their situation and the climate they are in by taking cleansing flights when the out side temp is to cold, queens taking desperation mating flights that results in poor mating.
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Post by: LazyBkpr on August 27, 2017, 08:56:56 pm
Dang what a gift! Incredibly awesome!!!

   Dont just send them to Mrs River.. I'll wrastle her for them!  Never mind... it was a valid thought for a blinding moment... THEN.. I realized... SHE is meaner than I am!
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Post by: riverbee on August 27, 2017, 10:42:25 pm
............ :D :D :laugh:

scott, where you been? you make me laugh! 
wrastle..........?........okay!........ :D :D :D  i am not meaner.......hmmm, okay i MIGHT be meaner but you are just plain good lookin'......... :D :D :D
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Post by: LazyBkpr on August 28, 2017, 07:14:51 pm
I am up here in Maine at the moment. Wife has her whip out and is making me work SO HARD!  Upstairs floor is done, got about half the tin up on the ceiling, the insulation and walls up and the paneling ion the walls, and the roller style barn door on the bedroom, and the closet wall built and all the paneling on that... i tried to put trim up but she made me split and haul wood up to the back porch, Oh and i refinished her old maple table for her, all stripped and sanded and re urethaned... Built her new steps going upstairs and took down the metal spiral steps...   Oh yeah, i had to paddle the canoe while she fished... oh did I mention she makes me drive her around? In teh boat out on the ocean, and then in the new Slingshot SLR too!
   I would share pics but cant figure out how to get them from phone to the computer. :(

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Post by: Perry on August 28, 2017, 08:48:45 pm
Geez, if ya weren't so ugly Scott, I'd marry ya if ya did all that for me. :P
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Post by: LazyBkpr on August 28, 2017, 08:54:11 pm
AHA!


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  New steps new floor new tin.


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On the Lobstah boat! bandin claws and YES, drinking rum and coke!


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  New wall and new door for the upstairs bedroom!



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   The pile of wood i had to split by hand!   Ignore the tire tracks that wood wasnt dumped there by a dump trailer hooked to a pickup!   Now I have to load it all on the porch... BY HAND!



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   My wife forcing me to drive her around on the ocean!!!



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   AND.. what I am FORCED to drive her around in on land!  Oh she is so mean!    heheheheh
   OH, and... if Perry gets mad I hijacked please move this post!  I should have started a new one! But then maybe he would REALLY want to marry me...  I Dunno Perry are the benefits as good?    :laugh:
   Scott


   PS, that last pic with our new Slingshot is on Reach road. The point of land behind me is where Dan Fogelburg's house is, and he wrote his song The Reach about this place.  Good pics of the Reach and the bridge we had to cross to get to it in the vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEL_qqXGjHU
Title: Re: Great gift!
Post by: LazyBkpr on August 28, 2017, 09:04:12 pm
PS, Perry, come visit! I will feed you rum and coke and you can drive us around in the Slingshot. THAT should be exciting! No worries if you get pulled over, claim diplomatic immunity!   

 :laugh: :yes:
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Post by: Perry on August 28, 2017, 09:18:13 pm
Looks like you're havin waaaay too much fun (except the reno stuff). :laugh: