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Beekeeping => Healing From The Hive => Topic started by: iddee on December 21, 2013, 09:12:36 pm
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My wife will not work the bees with me. NO, NO, NO.
Yet she does use BVT for pain. She said tonight she wants a shot tomorrow, rain or shine. She has been using stings for neck and back pain for about 3 years, and is quite happy with the results. She says the stings hurt much less than the cortisone shots, and work longer.
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I had a cortisone shot in my back one time, never again. It hurt me worse than the back pain and for about 1 1/2 years.
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wheres ole jaybird she sould chime in on this thread
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That's young miss jaybird to you,Mistah!! :o
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I had worked my way up to 11 at a time when I had Lyme.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4rHTKjNL40k/Ug9meyeoWAI/AAAAAAAAYT4/RvMOt2H629w/w1077-h808-no/6stings+001.JPG)
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I gave her 3 yesterday. Two on the back of the neck, one in the small of her back. She is baking cookies today, free of pain.
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You had Lyme at one time Robo? I have been nailed numerous times by ticks, and even the black legged deer tick that is notorious for carrying Lyme. I've been tested negative, and the last time I got a whollop of meds to take right after one, that was about as difficult a thing to keep down as anything.
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That's young miss jaybird to you,Mistah!! :o
yes where is that young lady at
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Hi Minniemo! thank you for the pers message. It's nice if I get a pers message cause it shows I'm needed somewhere else on the forum. Otherwise I just argue sugar syrup rebellion all day long! Still tossing that one around in my bee venom head. Let me read this post and see if I can help with some questions or solutions. Be right back
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Hi Iddee :)
Oooo this is so much fun, rolling up my sleeves.
May I ask why your wife has back pain?
Cortizone shots have their place in the medical world, however, there are hazards to be considered. Such as cortizone shots can eat up the cartilage between the joints, quickly. Many practitioners will not tell you that. What the doc does know is that they have a patient in pain sitting across from them and they want the pain to go away Now!
For those of us who are loosing the cartilage for a number of reasons, that could be of great concern.
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G3- Assuming that your shot was located somewhere on or near your spine, it's quite possible that the needle hit or agrivated or damaged a nerve. Sorry that happened to you!
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Iddee, well I'm not That young, but young at heart ;)
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Robo, is your pic an arm or a leg? and why do you sting there?
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You had Lyme at one time Robo?
Yes, i had/have neurological Lyme to the point of loosing my eye sight. I went 8 months with all the specialist telling me there is nothing wrong with you. I finally ended up search out one of the best Lyme doctors in the country and went to him. Took me almost a year and a half to get back to "normal". I have been fortunate to control it by diet now. Going on 2 years since I have taken any antibiotics. During the recovery, I was on more antibiotics than I can count on both hands and both feet. I had a picc line for 10 weeks and gave myself daily injections.
I was also very fortunate to meet and be tutored by Amber Rose who is a bee sting expert. She was taught by Charles Mraz and traveled the world practicing BVT with him. She has also written a book called "Bee in Balance". What is unique about her approach is that she is a licensed acupuncturist. She used bee stings instead of needles on the body meridian points.
If your interested, we did two podcasts with her on Wildlife Pro Network. You can find them in the list of podcasts here -> http://beevac.com/wildlife-pro-network-beekeeping-podcasts/
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Robo- and incidently bee venom therapy has a record of remarkable results with Lymes. I hope you had success with your endeavor :)
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Robo!! Amber Rose?? Wow! Her book is the one I use when working with my clients! Marvelous book! You were in good hands my friend!
And what a journey in healing you went thru. How are you now?
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Jaybird, I don't know what it is. My niece had an operation where they cut from the front of her throat to the backbone and fused the bones together. My wife and I had/have the same type pain. They wanted to operate on me the same way last February, but I said I would hold off until I could try BVT in the spring. 3 to 4 stings per day, 4 to 6 days per week, for two months and I have no more problems. My wife takes 1 to 3 stings every 4 to 6 months and the pain is gone.
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Iddee, that is amazing news. It is possible that once the inflamation is reduced in the joint, that cartilage will rebuild again. Have either you or you wife been in a car accident?
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My brother in law has suffered from lyme the last two years. He is much better than the first year but he wakes up some days and just can't get moving. He would be interested in benefits from venom for it for sure.
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Her, NO. Me, none that caused a neck injury. My niece, no.
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Robo!! Amber Rose?? Wow! Her book is the one I use when working with my clients! Marvelous book! You were in good hands my friend!
And what a journey in healing you went thru. How are you now?
Amber is one of the kindest people I have ever met. Her level of compassion desire to help people is remarkable. I was fortunate enough to live about 15 miles from her. I provided her bees for her classes and actually gave her a hive of bees to treat people at her house. I don't believe she ever charged anyone for bee stinging. She has since sold her house in Woodstock and I believe now lives in Long Island. I understand she just released an updated version of her book a few weeks ago.
I am doing well now, thanks.
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I got the shot at the upper hip lower back area just to the right of my spine. Not sure what it did but some days was hard to stand up.
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I must have a copy of her new version. I'll see if I can locate one, maybe Amazon?
I don't charge for stings or bees either. It's a labor of love.
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G3- can you define what made your right lower back hurt before you got the cordizone shot?
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two herniated disk
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How long ago did you have this cort shot?
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July of 2010 was when I got the cort shot.
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G3- Are you still in pain from the hern disc?
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Blue- regarding your brother in law and assuming that he lives in Indiana: Here is a list of apitherapists in Indiana. This list comes from the American Apitherapy Society. There may be more in your state that don't belong to AAS. Also, I can get names from most all the other states as well.
Chlipala Mary
Apitherapist
Beekeeper
Patient/Family Member
English
IN United States
mchlipala@hotmail.com
812-613-0553
Myers Cathy
Beekeeper
Wabash
IN United States
myersc@iquest.net
317-697-0747
Gucinski Cheryl
Apitherapist
Beekeeper
Bloomington
IN United States
cgucinski@comcast.net
8128254356
Bell Robert D
Apitherapist
Beekeeper
Carmel
IN United States
rbell1128@yahoo.com
317-733-2133 ext.505 pitherapist in Indiana.
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I just have to watch what I do. No constant pain. Standing or sitting in certain ways will not last long. Sleep is short lived, that is why you will see me on here at all kinds of odd hours. Walking and stay moving seems to be the best option for the time being.
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G3 I have chronic lower back pain, it has to do with the shape of my spine, and my vertibraes are very loose there also, so there is no solid support for my lower back. Same as you, I can't sit for too long, or bend too much. I have to remember my limitations.
However, due to the discovery of bee stings on my lower back, I am more flexible and can be without pain for longer periods of time, and I'm still able to work as a ashiatsu massage therapist, which is very physical work. Two, years ago I started stinging a couple of times a week, two bees, one on each side of my spine, about 3 inches below the belt line. Now, I sting in that area as needed, which is maybe once a month unless I've over done it, then I go back to my one week regime and that put it back in order.
Let me know if you are interested in learning how to sting your lower back, or if you would like to know who the apitherapists are in your state :) Jen
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I'm interested and would like to know.
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Okay G3 :D I would do better instructing with photo's, will be getting help from riverbee with this. I'll be back with ya asap.
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For the most part I have been avoiding getting stung but I would give a trial to some stings for my back and shoulders problems. People write books about "barefoot beekeeping" may be I could do one on bare backed beekeeping if it worked! :-\
One of my old farrier books had an article on heated needling around the coronet of horses with lameness. The theory was that a strong counter irritant would increase blood flow and natural release of the bodies own pain killers to the area. Fight fire with fire eh!
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Crofter that makes a lot of sense to me.
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Hi Crofter! It actually isn't a theory my friend, it's a fact! A bee sting is the same as hitting your thumb with a hammer. When this happens, the brain says "Oh My Gosh! That Hurt!" (leaving out explitives) and instantly sends a whopping message to the adrenal glands, which sit right above the kidneys. The adrenal glands instantly send out a whopping dose of cortisol, which is cortizone, which is the bodies own natural pain killer. This action that the adrenal glands administer helps us cope with, or keep our sanity if you will, until we can get help.
When was the last time you got a sting from a bee?
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"I would do better instructing with photo's"
jaybird, here's how to post your pics to this thread, go here (also sent you a pm):
posting pictures how to (http://www.worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/index.php/topic,266.0.html)
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I continue to see accomplished beekeepers working bees without gloves. In my efforts to follow in their steps, I receive quite a few stings on my hands. The stings burn a bit at first, but in 20 or so minutes there is no evidence of the sting. Rarely, do I have any swelling or lasting redness from a sting. And, yes, I have arthritis, especially bothersome in my hands, and the stings do not provide any relief them. I am into my third year with bees, and I see no improvement in my health due to bee stings.
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Hi Lazy, curious, is there anything you do that helps diminish the arthritis in your hands?
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I have a question for you experts. I noticed in the 1970's that bee stings helped my hands and arms feel better. I went 20 years without stings and bees before coming back to beekeeping in 2011. I have osteoarthritis and Rheumatoid arthritis, and gout in my hands.
I work BeeWeaver bees without gloves to have a steady dose of venom going, and it helps a lot. One cortizone injection at the base of a thumb is all I wanted in this life time. I've been taking stings in summer and taking celebrex in winter.
Question: How can I manage the frequency of stings to keep a good response and get the pain relief. Said another way, How long will the stings keep the pain away (asking about the efficacy of long term BVT)? I notice that I do not respond to the sting as much as I did last year.
Thanks :)
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I probably dont average more than a couple of stings a week during the summer. I wouldnt discount the placebo effect or disparage it either. I think it is possible that if you deliberately take a bee and inflict a sting on a given ache it might have more positive effect than an insulting sting you incidentally acquired in the same spot. I dont swell much from bee stings and dont itch as badly as I did a few years ago.
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Lburou- Hello there, I have been stinging my hips and lower back for osteoarthrititis for three years now. I am also an apitherapist. I have also just kicked using Celebrex, of which I'm delighted because it is a dangerous drug for heart and stroke. I do use two Tylenol arthritis before I go to bed. Each body is it's own universe if you will. But as a rule of thumb, stinging a couple times a week is about average. There are people out there with rheumatoid arthritis that have worked up to 60 stings a week and are living longer and more active lives.
I have noticed this last year (been stinging for 3) that I don't need as many stings as I used to. I now sting as needed, which in the winter might be every 7-10 days, about 4 stings. In the summer, it's not even that. I have also used bvt on my knees, shoulders, and for a anxiety situation that I went thru last winter. FYI - two bee stings on the appropriate acupunture points knocks anxiety right out the door.
A client I have now stings his wrist two times a week. He is now playing his guitar again and is more comfortable on his computer.
On the average the effects of the sting will last 2-3 days. It has been stated; that if you leave the stinger in your skin, that it can continue to administer anit-inflamitory effects for 7-12 hours. So! if you are not getting the same results as last year, try leaving the stinger in longer. I just put the stinger on and forget it there and get on with my day.
Hope this helps and I am at your service at any time
Jen alias jaybird 8)
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Thank you Jaybird. In the anecdotal reports you hear in BVT circles, what is the longest time horizon for a patient taking stings over time? Thanks again. :)
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That question is up for grabs. See, some people will have bursitis or OA in their elbow, and take one, two, or three stings, and the bursitis disappears forever. Others may need to continue the stings to keep the inflamation at bay. Diet and genetics play a big part on how much our individual bodies hold onto inflamation. Summary, some people will only need a sting or two, some may need to sting for many years. I hope this answer is in conjunct with your question 8)
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So BVT help people with tennis elbow? I've had my elbows shot up, my collar bone where it connects near your shoulder shot up, my feet with a $1000 cocktail :-\ :-\ ( that one hurt my wallet more than my foot). Do you find where it is the most tender and sting that area? How do you know how many bees? Do like any meds and start at 1? My good friend is a hairstylist and has arthritis in her thumbs. She wanted to try BVT so I stung her and she has been pain free since summer. I posted it on my Cree's Bees facebook page.
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Hi Crazy, bvt helps everybody with anything! unless of course you have a tendancy to anaphylaxis. I'll be addressing this on a new topic soon.
What do you mean by having your elbows and collar bone 'shot up'? and what's going on with your feet? Wow :(
For basic bvt, you put the bee where the hurt is, Yes!
However there are acupuncture points where a stinger can be placed as well. For example, if you are the type that carries chronic pain around all day, there is two places on the stomach to sting to help reduce inflamation, any kind of inflamation.
There are 5 places on the body you can sting for anxiety. And let me tell you... I had a bout of anxiety last winter, I looked up the points for nervousness and anxiety, stung those places, and it knocked my anxiety right out the door. I'm not joking!
There is a point at the back of the head where a stinger can be placed for migraine headaches. The kind where people lay in bed in a pitch black room throwing up for three days.
I would like to know more about your elbows, collar bone and feet?
I'm logged onto this forum most everyday,
Jen 8)
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My issues are from 24 years of being a Union Millwright. And I'm only 42. Many more years ahead of me! :sad: I've had issues with plantar fasciitis. Foot doctor gave me several injections of some sort of "cocktail" which he charged $1000 per shot. Insurance paid most of it. But, I had enough of that! Because of wearing work boots all these years I have lost some flexibility. Both elbows I've had numerous cortisone shots from overuse. My clavicle bone that forms a ball/ socket gets really sore at times. Ortho doctor ex-rays show deterioration. Now, next week I go in to have knee surgery. Other than all this I'm healthy as a horse! :-\
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The doctor said I had the body of a horse too; a thirty year old horse!
I think some people have a predisposition to tendonitis in response to hard usage. That would describe me. Have had tennis elbow. Achilles tendon, Carpal tunnel surgery both hands and trigger finger tendon sheath surgery both hands. I have the plantar fasciitis in the right foot.
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What kind of surgery are you getting on your knee?
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First off, are you interested in bee venom therapy? if so I can provide you with the points on where to sting for relief of plantar faciitis.
Also, have you looked into the socks that can help relieve plantar faciitis?
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I have cartilage that needs removed. Will be back to work in 3 days. That's my goal. Yes, to VBT!! check out my FB page. Done it to a friend with good results. Socks? didn't know there was such a thing.
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Okay Crazy, I'll get some pics online of socks that help with plantar. Plantar is simply a tightening of the tendons in the back of the calf, and the tendons in the bottom of the foot.
Has anyone ever showed you how to stretch your leg and foot to relieve plantar?
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Any good links online for someone interested in BVT?
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Hi Finally, I am a bee venom therapist :)
Youtube is a good source of info on 'bee venom therapy'
and American Apitherapy Society is a good source as well. If you become a member you get lots of good stuff on healing with BVT, and the newsletter online or they will mail one to you.
What can I help you with?
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I'm still waiting on the pics of the socks, Jaybird.
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Do you have plantar fasciitis Iddee?
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First time I ever heard of it. Have no idea what it is. I just have a desire to learn new bee stuff.
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Just tossing the idea around. Few aches n pains every now n then.
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Iddee ""First time I ever heard of it. Have no idea what it is. I just have a desire to learn new bee stuff.""
Oh Okay, well the socks were recommended for Crazy8days. Plantar Fasciitis is a condition in the bottom of the foot where the tendons tighten up and make the center of the foot painful, it can be very uncomfortable to walk on that foot.
There is also a place on the back of the leg where a bee sting can help with the pain ~
http://www.heel-pain-store.com/Plantar_Fasciitis_Treatments_s/67.htm?gclid=CNPI9_PNwLwCFUqSfgodcGwAhA
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Finally- Well then, I'll tell ya what I sting myself for, and we can go from there.
I have arthritis in my lower back and shoulders, and I have worn down knee joints.
I learned about BVT from an acupuncturist who is a third generation bee keeper. During the time I was with her, my wrists were in pain from being a massage therapist. With my permission of course, she placed the bee on one wrist and I went home. This way I could see what the difference in pain was between both wrists. I was sold. I learned how to do it myself and how to administer bee venom to others.
I put stings on my hips, lower back, shoulders, and knees, as needed. Bee Venom Therapy has gotten me off of Celebrex, an anti-imflammatory drug.
I think it's a great way to deal with chronic pain issues. Mostly, when people come to me, the western medical system has drained their bank accounts and they can't afford their medication anymore. However, I have also helped with migraine headaches, rheumatiod arthritis, and depression. It's good medicine!
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I've been putting on 4 bees a week, one bee each hip joint, two bees lower back. My friend is getting expensive cortizone shots in her lower back, $250 a pop. Mine Is Free. Just Sayin :) 8)
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Thank you Jen!
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I'm a tile setter, so I do a lot of gripping and lifting and pushing with my hands on a daily basis. I used to have pain and stiffness in my hands all the time. Since I started keeping bees that's all gone away. I never wear gloves and the dozen or so incidental stings I get each year on my hands seem to do the trick. By this time of year, not working the bees for 4 months, the pain starts to creep back in.
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Pistol- that is great news! Are your bees near where you live? If so, I can teach you how to get your bees 'safely' from the hive during the winter, and keep them in a jar for about a week. This way, you can self sting as needed. It takes a jar, some netting, and long handled tweezers.
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Around here it's really not a good idea to mess with the cluster during the winter. The temperatures are colder than your deep freezer for about 3 months straight, with the entrance reduced and everything else propolised shut for the duration. That, and I'm a bit of a chicken about stings. I don't mind at all if I get stung, but if I see it coming (like self stinging) I get anxious about it.
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Understandable. You know where I am if you want more information :) 8)
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Miss Jen, any knowledge of BVT for MS ? My wife has some pretty bad days/nights and has expressed trying BVT. Jim
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Hi Jim, my sincere thoughts of healing go your way with you and your wife ~ I will pm you, and arrange info for you to consider. Jen
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Thank you Jen. PM sent. Jim