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Beekeeping => Raising Queens => Topic started by: yes2matt on June 03, 2017, 10:45:13 am
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Vid says it all. Do you think it will be ok? Or might they supersede her? I moved a frame of her eggs n larvae to a queenless nuc just in case.
Mods feel free to move this to the "worst mistakes " thread if it is appropriate :/
https://youtu.be/iMEdpFbCnUE
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Hey Yes! I think it looks fine. When I was first marking queens last summer, I had some queens looking pretty sloppy, even tho I practiced on a lot of drones. But the bees still excepted the sloppy queens. I would say that I had about a 90% success rate of queens surviving the marking and being excepted.
May I ask what kind of paint pen you used?
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Hey Yes! I think it looks fine. When I was first marking queens last summer, I had some queens looking pretty sloppy, even tho I practiced on a lot of drones. But the bees still excepted the sloppy queens. I would say that I had about a 90% success rate of queens surviving the marking and being excepted.
May I ask what kind of paint pen you used?
Oh I hope you're right!
I used a long leaf pine needle dipped in Testors.
I should have practiced on drones.
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You can still practice on drones, just use a different color ;) You can also practice on a couple of drones, get your courage up, and go get your queen.
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It may not be perfect, but I don't think it is so bad as to lead to supercedure. The queen''s behavior seems normal and that is the main thing to be concerned about.
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It may not be perfect, but I don't think it is so bad as to lead to supercedure. The queen''s behavior seems normal and that is the main thing to be concerned about.
Well she was using her second set of legs to try to clean her thorax, and you can see her trying to clean the top of her head on the other bees.
We'll see I guess. She's a queen I want to have in the yard.
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Hi Yes, so this is just for future reference. I think your queen is going to be fine. A couple years back I researched what kind of paint should be used on queens, in that the paint should have no odor, and somewhat breathable paint, not an enamel. Back in the day fingernail polish and White Out was the paints the beeks used, but seems there were more queen supercedures. Beeks felt it may have been the odor of those products.
Pasco paint pens are the recommended paint that I know of up to now. Mann Lake does sell only the color that is this years color, which is yellow for about $7, then next year another color for that year. For me tho, I'm not marking my queens for how old the queen is, I mark them with Pasco Pink, because that color pops our like a light bulb when I'm trying to find the queen to make a split. But I cannot get just the pink pen, I choose to buy the set of paint pens in order to get the pink pen. Then I give the rest of the pens to my family artists. Buying the set of Pasco's, medium point, is a bit spendy tho. But they last a long time.
https://www.amazon.com/Uni-Posca-Marker-Medium-PC-5M8C/dp/B000IGY28M/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1496595546&sr=8-24&keywords=posca+paint+pens
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I don't have an answer for you, but just wanted to say that I am glad I am not a queen bee! I wouldn't want all those attendants up in my business like that! :laugh: Privacy, please.
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LOL, Baker, That is soo funny!
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Find a cork that fits in teh testers paint bottle. Drill a 1/8th inch hole in it. Take a second cork and "screw" the drill bit into that cork, leaving the bottom of the bit sticking out.
Put the cork with the hole in it into the bottle of paint firmly. Slide teh butt end of the drill bit into the hole. The hole is sealed so the paint will no tdry out.. when ready to mark, pull teh drill bit out, the cork wipes off all excess paint, leaving a tiny dab on teh end of the drill bit. Touch on the queen, and slide it back into the cork/hole
Try it, it will astonish you how well it works and how easy it is to do/use
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I showed the video to a friend and hit pause... there is a MITE on one of those beautiful bees!
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Oxalic Acid vaporizer .... Hurry! If you can't wait for that to get to your house, then Formic Acid pads.
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Oxalic Acid vaporizer .... Hurry! If you can't wait for that to get to your house, then Formic Acid pads.
She is the entrance to my yard of a second line of bees that haven't been medicated. So, in this case, no. I'll get the pens though, thanks!
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'I'll get the pens though, thanks!'
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'I'll get the pens though, thanks!'
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The Pasco pens you recommended...
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LOL... Oh yah that! :D oy vey my memory ;)
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Verdict is in: they superseded her.
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Oh well, you can't win them all.
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I'm getting ready mark some for the first time, I'm not sure I am looking forward to it after this.
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I'm getting ready mark some for the first time, I'm not sure I am looking forward to it after this.
I bought one of those fancy Chinese marking pens. The first time I used it, I didn't realize you have to push down on the nib to prime the marker.
The second time I used it, I didn't realize you really do have to wait several minutes before putting her back in the hive. Her attendants made quick work of the marking, and left her nicely cleaned up within seconds.
The third time I used it, I didn't realize that she would wipe away most of the marking on her own before the liquid dried.
The next time I use it ... well, I think I'll just go out and buy a bottle of Testor's paint.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/1191TT-Sunflower-1-4-oz/39759286?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227027505566&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=54707122031&wl4=aud-310687322322:pla-90039494231&wl5=9027925&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=39759286&wl13=&veh=sem
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Yep wondering man that's how I expect it to go :D Oh well that's what I have, we will see. I'm curious to see how long it will last. The only other ones I've tried, I bought them marked and they didn't last long.
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I'm getting ready mark some for the first time, I'm not sure I am looking forward to it after this.
I bought one of those fancy Chinese marking pens. The first time I used it, I didn't realize you have to push down on the nib to prime the marker.
The second time I used it, I didn't realize you really do have to wait several minutes before putting her back in the hive. Her attendants made quick work of the marking, and left her nicely cleaned up within seconds.
The third time I used it, I didn't realize that she would wipe away most of the marking on her own before the liquid dried.
The next time I use it ... well, I think I'll just go out and buy a bottle of Testor's paint.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/1191TT-Sunflower-1-4-oz/39759286?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227027505566&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=54707122031&wl4=aud-310687322322:pla-90039494231&wl5=9027925&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=39759286&wl13=&veh=sem
Thanks for posting this, it makes me feel better. :)
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Don't worry about that bit of paint...It is dark in there anyway. :laugh:
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Dunkel, have you tried marking your queen yet? because you can practice on drones, just use a different color. I practiced a lot last year.
Wman, after using any paint on your queens slip her into queen cage and let her dry for a few minutes,I use the wooden cages. Be sure to put her in the shade to dry, she can fry in a minute or two... don't ask me how I know that. Then when you're ready to put her back in the hive, lift the metal netting with a pen knife and let her crawl out and slip into the frames.
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No I haven't Jen. I had some business to do and some Nucs to bring home. Plus after reading this I wasn't in a big hurry :D I may try one though in a little while I have a couple nucs to hive up.
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I watched a lot of youtube on marking queens, good instruction there. This is Fat Bee Man, I find him pretty basic to follow. You will learn how to put your freshly marked queen into a queen cage by 'goosing her in the butt' :D and letting her dry.
2 vids on this roll of film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGM1aqf2Q4
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I'm big on an occasional goose ;) Thanks Jen for the links. I've watched a few but I don't think I saw those. Do you find the paint lasts awhile on your queens?
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With the Pasca paints, the paint has lasted all last summer, winter, and still good this summer. What is promoted about Pasca on queens is that it's completing odorless so the nurse bees are not alarmed with it, and dries n 5 minutes or less. That's why you goose her into a queen cage for a few minutes ;D 8)
The paint pens that Wmart sells, it took too long for the paint to dry.
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I think that's the one I got, I'll check to make sure. I got the yellow, but should have went with another color, seems like it would be hard to find compared to other colors in the hive. But anything will help with some of these chocolate queens, they are impossible at times. I can be looking at them and they disappear. Glad to hear they may last until next spring.
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FWIW, I have a queen with a green dot (three years old) from a testor's marking pen.
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Lee do you know if it was a particular formulation, like the old school enamel?
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Lee do you know if it was a particular formulation, like the old school enamel?
This (https://www.amazon.com/Testors-Enamel-Paint-Marker-Gloss-Green/dp/B008CVO2D0/ref=pd_sim_21_4?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B008CVO2D0&pd_rd_r=5W5MGY5YVJ3FF533J0XW&pd_rd_w=jc8ef&pd_rd_wg=ghUUl&psc=1&refRID=5W5MGY5YVJ3FF533J0XW)is the marker used three years ago. This (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006N72QG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) is the paint I'm using now. I prefer the bottle. HTH :)
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Thanks, I'm seeing an experiment in the making :) I love a good July project, It may make a good scientific method introduction for my students.
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"Vid says it all. Do you think it will be ok? Or might they supersede her? I moved a frame of her eggs n larvae to a queenless nuc just in case.
Mods feel free to move this to the "worst mistakes " thread if it is appropriate :/"
"Verdict is in: they superseded her."
yes2matt, great video, loved the chickens in the background!
i am wondering, looking at your vid, if you got paint on her eyes? dunno, and don't have an answer as to why she was superseded. she was a pretty queen.......... what i also noticed was she wasn't very adept at finding an open cell to plant her butt in ?
(just a suggestion about the vertical video.........maybe next time turn your phone horizontal and take video, rather than vertical ~ :))
btw, us mods are working on a 'worst mistakes thread'............... :D :D :laugh:
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Like Jen said get an off color and practice on drones.
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Verdict is in: they superseded her.
I look at supersedure as getting a new queen under the most desirable conditions. First, the bees make just a few queen cells and give them optimal attention. This extra care produces the best queen possible from that group of bees. A better nourished queen will have more ovarioles in her abdomen which gives her more egg laying potential than a queen reared in other-than-optimal conditions. Then, the bees will usually wait until the new queen is mated and laying well before offing the old queen. This allows uninterrupted egg laying and optimal brood nest population for the transition to their new queen. Supersedure isn't a bad thing in my view. :)
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Great bit of learning info there Lee, sure appreciate your inputs ;) :P
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Verdict is in: they superseded her.
I look at supersedure as getting a new queen under the most desirable conditions. First, the bees make just a few queen cells and give them optimal attention. This extra care produces the best queen possible from that group of bees. A better nourished queen will have more ovarioles in her abdomen which gives her more egg laying potential than a queen reared in other-than-optimal conditions. Then, the bees will usually wait until the new queen is mated and laying well before offing the old queen. This allows uninterrupted egg laying and optimal brood nest population for the transition to their new queen. Supersedure isn't a bad thing in my view. :)
Agreed, and occasionally you will find the old queen and new queen laying in the same hive... Never have figured out how that works, but have witnessed it multiple times.
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I have some paint markers that I've used on bridge & millwright lobs for marking steel. they are similar to the posca pens. they come in white, yellow, & black. I did mark some queens with them but worried that being oil base they could injure the queen so I got some of the posca pens. the oil base pens also take longer to dry.I use one of those queen marking tubes with the foam padded plunger & just her leave in there to dry. I use the tube as I'm not comfortable handling queens yet. I'm afraid I might injure them. I'm thinking about getting a queen muff. I have had 2 queens fly off when trying to mark them. I also found that if you pull the tip out of the marker, soak it in water, wash the paint out, & let dry it won't be clogged with paint the next time you need it. you can do the same thing with oil base markers by soaking the tips in paint or lacquer thinner.
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Cool! So how did you like using the Posca's? and were you able to get the mark you wanted on the queen?