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Sustainable Living => Farm Livestock => Topic started by: Finally Home on December 24, 2013, 06:00:24 pm
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As I found it. It's a 1958 Ford 861
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Right after paint.
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New rear tires and rims. New front tires.
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Good looking tractor!!
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Thanks. That was about 4 years ago. Gets used most days so she don't look that good today but still not too bad.
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Very nice!
I have actually seen those come up for sale here a time or two. They call them Ford Jubilee, I guess 1958 was some sort of special edition?
If I had the space and extra cash I would love to get one.
It was a good year for many things. LOL ;) I'm 55.
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Actually the Ford Golden Jubilee was a 1953 (NAA series), then came the hundred series (1955-1957) then this model which is a hundred/one series.
Jubilee was the 50th anniversary of the Ford Motor Company.
I've always liked the fords starting from the 1953 model up to 1964.
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Nice job. Hope to go to work on my 1959 Ford 871 S-O-S this spring.
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Sweet. Friend of mine has an early 2000 SOS. I've never driven one but wouldn't mind getting one some day.
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nice looking tractor. Was it the 861 that ford painted one tractor gold for each dealership to use as a demo unit. Seams I seen something about this on classic tractor fever.
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Yep - - - There were Gold Demonstrators in many different models in the hundred/one series. Even ones like what Iddee posted.
841-851-861-871-881-and row crops-941-951-961-971-981 Not sure if all the models had one but I've seen many different ones.
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http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-other-1953-Ford-Jubilee-Tractor-W0QQAdIdZ413914935
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She's a beauty though I prefer to buy ugly ones and make em look like that. More fun that way.
Here's my latest project. 1959 IH 460
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You must do what Iddee does, tear 'em right apart?
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How about an 8n, FH?
http://s81.photobucket.com/user/Iddee/library/1949%208n?sort=2&page=1
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Boy those are some familiar looking photos. Have many of my own 8)
We started out doing a 40 Allis B as a home school project for my boys. From there we've just been having fun.
We also did
38 Allis WC (bare block engine build)
41 Ford 9N
48 Ford 8N
57 Ford 640 with loader
57 Ford 850 with loader
48 Farmall C
64 Ford 2000 LCG
Never know what will come next.
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So do you guys blast them before painting? This is almost like a frame-off restoration of a vehicle?
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No blasting here. Let it soak with (dollar store) oven cleaner then pressure wash. If there is still paint sticking (after 50 years) its not going to come off now. Scuff n prime.
Here's a video of the 861 running at 200 rpm . . . . You can see the printing on the belt every time around.
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I blasted that one. Haven't since. That's the only full restore I have done. The rest have been fix up. I have a 52 8n blasted and primed now that will be my second restore.
I have 8 right now, all fords, and have sold 3 in the last year.
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I am guessing there is not huge money made in this (reminds me of keeping bees) but rather something that is done for the enjoyment of it.
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Mostly fun for me. I make a grand here and there. Like to use them after getting them running right to make sure all is good, then paint and sell.
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Perry you are spot on. Its like bees if your getting in it for the money you done lost your mind ;D I have never restored any of the molines I have I keep them in there work clothes. The GTB I have is an older restoration done before I bought the tractor. All though I have a 51 RTI that was owned by a state highway department originally. I am thinking of restoring it back to original with the state highway colors
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I made money for 55 years. It's time to spend it now. :D
Just pleasure, Perry. With 9 tractors last spring, I raised 4 tomato plants.
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MinnieMoe
Friend of mine in Nebraska is a Moline collector. Most of his are still in work clothes. He's re-done a few for parade duty. The rest get used on the farm. Almost bought an M5 from him but other things got in the way.
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I made money for 55 years. It's time to spend it now. :D
Just pleasure, Perry. With 9 tractors last spring, I raised 4 tomato plants.
I bet they tasted good though. ;D
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They're not only good for tomato plants, but hunting too 8)
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OK, so I gotta ask the obvious question.
What constitutes a good deal on one of these? Do you have to get them for next to nothing to not lose money? Is it simply a matter of a lot of sweat and tears, or do you have to dump in a lot of money?
There are plenty of oldies around here, in fact there are a few old Cockshutts available. They apparently were bought out by the same folks that bought out Moline (White).
Is it a matter of being complete with decent sheet metal? (I imagine parts would be hard to find). What's the secret. I could see doing it, especially if I had space on the 2acres we picked up, as long as it wasn't a financial drain type of thing.
Is there something to avoid? Accessories? Drawbacks?
http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-heavy-equipment-farming-equipment-8N-Ford-Tractor-W0QQAdIdZ549860282
http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-other-1951-Ford-8-N-tractor-W0QQAdIdZ508361667
How about this?
http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-heavy-equipment-farming-equipment-REDUCED-John-Deere-420-Antique-Tractor-1952-W0QQAdIdZ539334518
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Perry, the front loader 8n is a reasonable retail price if everything works. It is not over priced, nor is it s steal. Any part on it is readily available, and help is readily available.
http://www.ntractorclub.com/forums/ads/index.html
The John Deere is actually a better tractor, but you would think you were buying a new tractor every time you priced a part. It is also much harder to work on than an 8n.
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So then my next question would be, is old and rare better than new(er) and available parts? Is PTO a must?
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PTO is a must. Live PTO is desirable. 3 point hitch is a must. Old for fun and work. New for work only. Old Fords have all parts available aftermarket, meaning cheap. All work only machines mean expensive.
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Only drawback on the 8N with the loader is NO power steering. They are a beast to steer. Actually any tractor with a loader and no P/S is not much fun. Using brakes to help steer is a plus but still a pain. Haven't found anything I've needed that hasn't been available one place or another. Most pretty local. We have a Ford tractor dealer less than an hour away. Though most parts I get at Tractor Supply. If I needed just a tractor to use on the property I wouldn't have a problem buying one all done. (That Jubilee you posted would go for around $3500 here)
I just like working on them. Stress reliever for me. Most I've gotten for well under a grand. Most all have been running, just ugly. My 861 I got for $300 running and have a total of $1700 invested. Could sell to the right buyer for close to $5000 but I like this one too much to sell.
Honestly I would look for something after the 8N series for working. The 8N needs the PTO on to use the hydraulics. The jubilee (1953) and newer have live hyd's. If you want to bush hog you would need an over running clutch ($75) unless you find something with a live PTO.
Like Iddee says, JD tractors will eat you up in parts cost. I won't buy them.
3 Pt. I couldn't do with out. Way too many toys available for them. I even build some of my own.
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Some great tips. I think I may just start keeping my eye open for a decent deal. There are some pieces on the property we just bought that should be hogged, plus a blade to keep the drive opened up in winter would be alright. There are a lot of fords around here with back blades.
I'll be sure to run any thing potential by you guys so I don't make any costly mistakes.
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This is what happens when I get something in my head. ::)
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-heavy-equipment-farming-equipment-1953-jubilee-loader-tractor-W0QQAdIdZ551377319
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With no 3 point, it would be a loader only. No plows, blades, or anything else could be used behind it.
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one of the first tractors I ever sat on as a kid was an old ford/Ferguson. That belonged to my great granddad. He passed away in 74. Been trying to track it down. The original farmstead is still in the family but ground has been sold off. I did some checking around last week trying to get in contact with a great uncle who lives on the farm only to find he had passed away last April. I would like to have it but now that he is gone I have doubts to weather I could locate the tractor if he sold it. as his wife probably wouldn't
have a clue.
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As far as snow removal goes, here's what I've done. A friend had a plow on a dead blazer. Plow was free. Paint left over from painting the tractor. Scrap metal out of my pile. About $30 in hardware from Tractor supply. Hose's run about $60. Less than $100 and a lil work got me this set up. Custom fit to this tractor.
Cables go back to brackets hooked to the 3 pt. When the 3 pt. is lifted it pulls the cables and raises the plow. My tractor has a set of hydraulic remotes so I have hoses run down under to the front for left/right angle. Works pretty nice.
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Pretty clever idea running that off of the sway bar brackets...........I like it!!
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Saw pictures of many different set ups and pretty much picked a little out of each, then seen what scrap I had and went from there.
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Is this your place Iddee? LOLOL
http://saskatchewan.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-heavy-equipment-farming-equipment-8N-Ford-tractors-Fully-restored-between-4500-6500-W0QQAdIdZ381713651
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That's in the tundra, so no, not mine. :P ;D
Besides, I'm a redneck, and my tractors show it. They don't look nothin' like that.
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Talking about restoring old ford tractors we have a local guy that restores old tractors to sell that is less than reputable. No one local will buy his tractors. I got word the other day he had sold an old ford he had slapped a coat of paint on and supposedly went through. The tractor was sold out of state. When the guy got it the tractor had a bad miss and vibration to it. He started digging into the tractor and found the engine had been stuck. The guy had removed the rod cap and had sawed the piston rod off put it back together and sold it. There is a pending lawsuit not sure how that will turn out. It takes all kinds
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He was just making it more fuel efficient!! ;)
Never ceases to amaze me to what lengths some folks will go to screw somebody over.
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Them kind are everywhere. Like I said, I like to use them on my property for awhile to make sure all is well.
Famous last words in the old tractor world ------ "Ran good when parked" -------
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those old ford had little hydraulic capacity and since a great number of them were gas a wreck often meant you died via fire. thank goodness when I worked at Ford my boss insisted that I purchase a model with a diesel engine < funny how sometimes when you follow old men's advice it can literally save your life. not certain if I have the current history correct but the New Holland I think now belongs to a European (I want to say Fiat) folks. imho the new stuff ain't half the tractor of some of the older tractors. it appears all the manufactures now also manufacture the horse power ratings.
I still have and my old 3000 that I purchased back in 1973 and after I rolled it over on my chest did build a roll over bar.
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yep tec you are right, somewhere fiat is in on it. I have an allis chalmers 6080 that has the fiat motor and transmission in it. The pto housing broke and had to buy a brand new one, the casting was marked new holland.
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Tec, does your 73 Ford 3000 diesel look similar to this?
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yep... only mine is prettier < evidently I wasn't the only one who knocked off the front head lights??? about 10 years ago I had it worked on just a bit and at the time I repainted that old work horse.
even this particular model had fairly insufficient hydraulic capacity but you could add an extra pump in line with the crank and get all the flow you needed. mine has one set of external hydraulic couples and this will operate some things but really doesn't have the flow capacity to operate a loader at any kind of acceptable speed < it will physically run a front end loader but it is soooo slow that trying to operate a loader will quickly drive you to drink.
during this period they measured horse power based on 'the Nebraska Test' which basically measured the horse power at the pto... now day it appears from the sales brochures that horse power is measured at the fly wheel.... which essentially means the stated horse power is being overstated by about 25%.
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Well, they say there is such thing as a dumb question, so here goes.
When did they start using power steering on tractors? I remember swathing hay using an old International with a loader and no power steering. I had to have the loader way up in the air to see properly and man was it tough to steer!
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I have a 65 MF that has power steering, think it is a 1965 model.
The first ones were built in 1957 and power steering was an option.
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1958 for Fords... Also considered an option.
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2nd dumb question. If a guy bought an older Ford (53-58), could you put power steering on it?
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absolutely. Aftermarket or find a dead tractor and snag the system off that one. Here's one company that many guys deal with.
http://jacksonpowersteering.com/category/products/complete-steering-kits/
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Well, I stopped in to the fellow down the road and talked to him about his tractor.
It's a 1958 Ford 901. He said it had a 5 speed straight shift (?) and it looks to be in real nice shape. Still 6 volt (last year). New emblem for the front is in his garage.
Said it was easy to steer, heavier and more powerful than older 8n's. He paid $3,800 for it a half dozen years ago and said he's put $600 into it (new front tires and rear loaded).
I told him if he was interested to give me a call. He said he had been thinking of parting with it.
I left him my card.
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Is it a wide front end or a tricycle. You DON'T want a tricycle for a first tractor. Also, a 901 may drink a bit more gas than you want to feed it. It is a fairly large tractor.
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Good deal. Basically the same as mine but the 901 is a row crop. I also have the 5 speed. Like that a lot better than the 4 speeds. Is it a narrow or wide front?? Narrow fronts are pretty easy to steer. A lot of row crops came with power steering. Find out if it's a 951 or 961 (would be stamped in the bell housing on the flat behind the starter). Serial number would be stamped right below the 951/961 stamp. Both would be a 5 speed. The 961 would also have live PTO which would be a plus. If a 951 you can still put an ORC (over running clutch) for bush hog work. But like IDDEE says, they do drink the gas (if it has the large carb upgrade) if you plan on driving it a lot.
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Not a tricycle, and he said it was a 901. No power steering, I asked and he said it was easy.
I can check out more if I get a phone call. I will probably have plenty of questions should that happen.
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901 is the series (hood might say 901 powermaster)- - - - - - 951 or 961 is the model. Wide fronts are better for loaders to if that's an option for you. I'd like to get the model that follows that one. The early thousand series (4000 - 62-64)
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Fin, you have acreage. Perry has 2 acres. He would need a 2 or 3 thousand at most. A 601 series would even be better than the 901. A 2000 would be a very nice tractor for his application.
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Yes a 600-601-2000 would be fine. I have 10 acres but my garden that I use the tractor for is only 60 x 160. 600' driveway to plow. Might tow a wagon of firewood from the back of the property to the middle. Its actually way more than I need (power wise) but I just love that tractor. Friend of mine has a 961 in Nebraska. His does not have the HP upgrade that mine does and doesn't use much more fuel than his 62 - - 2000. Mine has the 2" exhaust. It does eat up the fuel but it doesn't run every day nor all day so it isn't killing me.
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With 6 1/2' Meyers plow added. We just put the round pipe on the blade so my gravel drive stays that way. Only moves snow.
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Smart idea with the pipe! :goodjob:
That tractor looks too nice to use in the snow. :D
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Was repainted about 4 years ago. Decided to use good quality paint. Friend of mine ordered it for me. It gets used for everything. Especially snow right now.
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That tractor looks too nice to use in the snow. :D
blah... that tractor looks too cab less to use in the snow!!! ;D NICE looking ford by the way! Wish my fergie looked that good!
Plowing snow here, about half of it blows right into your face. I tried using the 1086 but its sort of cumbersome.. The Fergy too open, so I stick with the DODGE... Its in a heated garage.. I can go out in my jammies and slippers, plow, come back in, close garage door and return to my comfy chair! :laugh:
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You think you've got it made, eh???? My 20 year old son does all the plowing while I watch him and the fireplace with a slight movement of the head ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
So there :P :P
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Hard to beat that one! :D
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Except for no snow at all as here which can be manage by melting a little later on in the day.
Ken
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Except for no snow at all as here which can be manage by melting a little later on in the day.
Ken
Ya know------------------I was feeling pretty good there for a moment.. Will be praying you get to enjoy this beautiful WHITE STUFF in the near future :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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LOL!!!
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I don't talk religiously often, but I will in this case.
The good lord puts snow and leaves where he wants them. When he's ready, he will make heat and wind to remove them. I don't interfere with the lord's work. ;D ;D :laugh:
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I don't talk religiously often, but I will in this case.
The good lord puts snow and leaves where he wants them. When he's ready, he will make heat and wind to remove them. I don't interfere with the lord's work. ;D ;D :laugh:
I tried that EXACT excuse... the wife wasnt going for it >:(
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Love that pipe edge detail :goodone:, very smart