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Title: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 20, 2015, 03:42:30 pm
Hey guys and gals. I have been searching for a great place to hang out and learn stuff and I think I found it! I am a complete newbie at this but have already learnt so much just from hanging out and reading alot of posts. I am hoping to get started this coming spring but that will depend on how fast I can get my land setup where I want to locate my hives.

In the meantime I am busy reading, planning, looking at equipment, ordering catalogs and asking a lot of questions.  I will probably build most of my equipment if my wife gives me a break from building barns and adding more pastures for our horses:)

Again I have to say that I am glad to be here with such a wealth of knowledge and I am looking forward to many interactions.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: iddee on January 20, 2015, 03:53:11 pm
That's a strange looking hanoverian in your avatar.   :D

Welcome. You found the friendliest forum on the net. A lot of fellow Canadians here who can help with the climate. All can help with general beekeeping. Just sort through all the different ways and choose the way you think will work best for you.
Hope you like it here. We try to please.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Perry on January 20, 2015, 04:23:43 pm
Excellent, another Canadian!  :laugh: :welcome:
Iddee is right, this is the friendliest place to hang out. There are a bunch of us from Tundraland on here so you will fit in nicely. ;)
I envy you, you are a heck of a lot closer to bee supply companies than those of us out here in the maritimes. If I ever have to do a big run though I will be sure to look you up. Wait a minute, I better check on the map where in Ontario Brinston is first.  :o :D
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Perry on January 20, 2015, 04:25:38 pm
OK, I just checked, Brinston isn't that bad, I was worried it might be up near Thunder Bay or Timmons or something like that.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: riverbee on January 20, 2015, 04:53:05 pm
WELCOME ROB ! ! !

this is a great place to hang out and learn stuff!  we also like to have some fun once in awhile, so join in, and don't be afraid or shy to ask questions!

btw..........great avatar/picture!
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 20, 2015, 06:29:00 pm
That's a strange looking hanoverian in your avatar.   :D

Welcome. You found the friendliest forum on the net. A lot of fellow Canadians here who can help with the climate. All can help with general beekeeping. Just sort through all the different ways and choose the way you think will work best for you.
Hope you like it here. We try to please.

Thanks Iddee, I have no doubt that this is the friendliest forum on the net. I have been lurking as a guest for the past month and I see a bunch of great people that like helping each other out. I like it! By the way it was hard to get one of our Hanoverians to stand still for a mug shot so one of my better half's other passions, breeding purebred white german shepherds stood at attention.


Excellent, another Canadian!  :laugh: :welcome:
Iddee is right, this is the friendliest place to hang out. There are a bunch of us from Tundraland on here so you will fit in nicely. ;)
I envy you, you are a heck of a lot closer to bee supply companies than those of us out here in the maritimes. If I ever have to do a big run though I will be sure to look you up. Wait a minute, I better check on the map where in Ontario Brinston is first.  :o :D


Hey Perry, thanks for the great welcome. I am still a maritimer at heart originally from Northern New Brunswick just outside of Bathurst and if I could head east to PEI or Nova Scotia I would die a happy camper. It's always about where the work is. I think I read in one of your posts that you originally worked in City Transit in B.C. I drove City Transit buses in Ottawa for 17 years and the past 12 have been as a Transit Supervisor, 4 more years to go,  :eusa_dance:. I may be a little closer to bee supply companies but being only 15 minutes from the US border I have to admit that I am very guilty of doing most of my shopping in the US. Running a farm we are always at need of something and I have to be honest, the prices here are at the point where it's becoming unaffordable so most of our purchases are made over the border whether it's a 200. dollar item or a new truck. Pretty sad when you think of it.

Sorry Perry, that enough ranting for now. By all means it your ever heading out this way I hope you will look me up. Cheers


WELCOME ROB ! ! !

this is a great place to hang out and learn stuff!  we also like to have some fun once in awhile, so join in, and don't be afraid or shy to ask questions!

btw..........great avatar/picture!
Thanks Riverbee for the warm welcome. I read your ongoing trials and tribulations with the allergy issue and hope that eventually it will resolve itself. I am getting my long list of questions ready and hoping that I will not wear out my welcome.

That good looking guy to the right in the avatar is our retired stud dog Storm, he's seven and still a pup at heart and one of three white sheps running around on the farm. The guy on the left is just the hired help.........at least that what she tells me.  :)
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Perry on January 20, 2015, 06:36:47 pm
12 years as a transit supervisor? My hats off to you. When I worked for BC Transit, a "promotion" to Transit Supervisor often was considered one step out the door! :o
17 years as an operator wouldn't have been easy either, 11 years almost killed me. Still have all my awards and plaques though, no preventables in all that time.
I quickly discovered though that I preferred working with stinging insects to the general public. Actually, that's not true, 95% of them were great, but it was the other 5% that always seemed to get on my bus.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: riverbee on January 20, 2015, 06:36:56 pm
"Thanks Riverbee for the warm welcome. I read your ongoing trials and tribulations with the allergy issue and hope that eventually it will resolve itself. I am getting my long list of questions ready and hoping that I will not wear out my welcome.

That good looking guy to the right in the avatar is our retired stud dog Storm, he's seven and still a pup at heart and one of three white sheps running around on the farm. The guy on the left is just the hired help.........at least that what she tells me.  :)"


rob, you are welcome! thanks for the kind words, i appreciate it!  you will never 'wear out' your welcome here, like iddee said, we aim to please, and really we enjoy helping out another beek. hired help you say? good looking hired help..........oh and the dog too............. :D (beautiful dog).
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: kebee on January 20, 2015, 07:02:00 pm
 Welcome Rob to the forum, glad to have you with us.

Ken
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 20, 2015, 07:09:11 pm



Hey Perry, 11 years with no preventables....that's nothing to sneeze at. I tend to agree with you regarding the public, 95% are great but it's always that other 5% that drove me crazy. I was very much like you, 17 years with no preventables but I found after all those years driving a sixty foot bus downtown Ottawa was starting to wear on my nerves so decided to head a little further up the ladder. Funny thing was, I found it easier to deal with the public than now dealing with 1800 plus operators that I use to work with.

Back in my days as a driver we hired drivers for their skills as a driver but unfortunately today they hire operators for their customer service skills and to heck if they can drive or not...... :'(

Not good on a snowy day with a sixty foot bus or worse, a double decker loaded with people.

Oh oh.....starting to rant again.

Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 20, 2015, 07:10:50 pm
heh, well you said you had horses, I thought you had one of them beside you in the picture!!
   Sounds like your already on the right track, learning what you can before you GET the bees. Well done!
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 20, 2015, 07:13:09 pm
"Thanks Riverbee for the warm welcome. I read your ongoing trials and tribulations with the allergy issue and hope that eventually it will resolve itself. I am getting my long list of questions ready and hoping that I will not wear out my welcome.

That good looking guy to the right in the avatar is our retired stud dog Storm, he's seven and still a pup at heart and one of three white sheps running around on the farm. The guy on the left is just the hired help.........at least that what she tells me.  :)"


rob, you are welcome! thanks for the kind words, i appreciate it!  you will never 'wear out' your welcome here, like iddee said, we aim to please, and really we enjoy helping out another beek. hired help you say? good looking hired help..........oh and the dog too............. :D (beautiful dog).
Awww...... :-[ Thanks
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 20, 2015, 07:16:53 pm
Welcome Rob to the forum, glad to have you with us.

Ken
Thanks Kebee, glad to be here and looking forward to some great education and let's not forget fun.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 20, 2015, 07:33:34 pm
heh, well you said you had horses, I thought you had one of them beside you in the picture!!
   Sounds like your already on the right track, learning what you can before you GET the bees. Well done!
Thanks LazyBkpr, any bigger and I might be able to pass him off as one of our horses.....heh heh.

I like to know what I am getting into so I tend to do a lot of research before I dive in head first. For example I was told that horses and bees don't mix. Since my better half breeds and rides high end horses I want to make sure that there will be no conflict.

I have to say I enjoy your website and the videos are going to help a great deal when it comes to building time. Cheers
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: pistolpete on January 20, 2015, 08:53:05 pm
welcome to the forum Rob.   If you haven't already, you should order a couple of Nucs now.  Not sure about ontario, but in B.C., most suppliers are sold out by February.  Then Nucs wont' actually be ready till mid to end May.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: iddee on January 20, 2015, 09:42:43 pm
The biggest problem with bees and livestock is the livestock scratching on the hive corners and tipping them over. Then the bees get upset. If the stock can't get to the hives, there shouldn't be a problem.

Nucs in the US are normally booked up by Feb. also. You order in Jan. and receive when they are ready, depending on the weather where they are coming from, along with where they are going.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 20, 2015, 09:55:58 pm
As Iddee said, dont put your hives in the pasture and you will be fine.  Our horses have fence about 6 feet from 20 hives. I have NEVER seen a bee bother the horses, but I do keep bees that are gentle. I mow right past the hives as well with no problems.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Slowmodem on January 21, 2015, 10:39:35 am
Welcome and enjoy your stay!  :)

It looks like you're not too far from Massena, NY.  Back when I drove a truck, I hauled some aluminum up to Massena to Alcoa there.  That's a long way from here!
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 21, 2015, 04:54:04 pm
welcome to the forum Rob.   If you haven't already, you should order a couple of Nucs now.  Not sure about ontario, but in B.C., most suppliers are sold out by February.  Then Nucs wont' actually be ready till mid to end May.
Thanks for the welcome PistolPete, looking at my options in this area for nucs and deciding which way to go. Quite a difference in price between different beekeepers and which breed of bee to go with. Cheers

The biggest problem with bees and livestock is the livestock scratching on the hive corners and tipping them over. Then the bees get upset. If the stock can't get to the hives, there shouldn't be a problem.

Nucs in the US are normally booked up by Feb. also. You order in Jan. and receive when they are ready, depending on the weather where they are coming from, along with where they are going.
Thanks Iddee, that was my first though and there would be a distance of at least 150 to 200 feet between the closest pasture and the hives. The situation would not arise where my horses would have access to the hives. Cheers


As Iddee said, dont put your hives in the pasture and you will be fine.  Our horses have fence about 6 feet from 20 hives. I have NEVER seen a bee bother the horses, but I do keep bees that are gentle. I mow right past the hives as well with no problems.
Hey LazyBkpr, that's what I would have though but the response I got was regarding the smell of horse on the beekeeper and the fact that bees did not approve of that..... :eusa_think: guess i'll have to wash before heading out to the bees....... :laugh:
Glad that you cleared that up for me, the better half will rest a little easier. BTW what breed of bee are you raising. Cheers

Welcome and enjoy your stay!  :)

It looks like you're not too far from Massena, NY.  Back when I drove a truck, I hauled some aluminum up to Massena to Alcoa there.  That's a long way from here!
Thanks for the welcome Slowmodem. Your right, I'm only 15 minutes from the border at Ogdensburg and only a stones throw away from Massena and yes it is a long way from there to Tennessee. My tractor trailer days as well have taken me all over the US and Canada but these days I like staying put. Cheers
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 21, 2015, 08:05:32 pm
Mostly local mutt's.. I Import queens every year.  I got VSH GOld queens from Mike Haney last year, this year I should be in line for Old SOl and hopefully a queen or two from Tates.  I have installed packages, and nucs, and replaced many of the queens voluntarily or through supersedure.  Tha vast majority of my hives are from previous swarm boxes or cut outs, with remnants of my mentors bees somewhere in the mix..   Some pictures of my queens on the queens page, go to the bottom of the page and scroll up a wee bit for the slide show;

http://outyard.weebly.com/queens.html

   you can see the electric wire we use to keep the horses away from the hives here. I am standing in the pasture taking the picture;

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   and, my wife on MY horse in the town square on memorial day. HER horse bucked her off so now she thinks we are going to trade;

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Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 22, 2015, 02:50:30 pm
Mostly local mutt's.. I Import queens every year.  I got VSH GOld queens from Mike Haney last year, this year I should be in line for Old SOl and hopefully a queen or two from Tates.  I have installed packages, and nucs, and replaced many of the queens voluntarily or through supersedure.  Tha vast majority of my hives are from previous swarm boxes or cut outs, with remnants of my mentors bees somewhere in the mix..   Some pictures of my queens on the queens page, go to the bottom of the page and scroll up a wee bit for the slide show;

http://outyard.weebly.com/queens.html

   you can see the electric wire we use to keep the horses away from the hives here. I am standing in the pasture taking the picture;

(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs7.postimg.cc%2Ffnc2dz4dj%2FDSCF0826.jpg&hash=b41875f6881b722a0a366e6f0b163cf6a2b47491) (http://postimg.cc/image/fnc2dz4dj/)

   and, my wife on MY horse in the town square on memorial day. HER horse bucked her off so now she thinks we are going to trade;

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Thanks Scott, I feel a little better knowing how close your hives are to your horses. We probably will have at least 150 to 200 feet separation plus a treeline between the hives and closest pasture. Good looking Bay Quarter horse ( I think ), that wifey is on and as always, happy wife happy life, so you may have to give that one up if she really wants to trade.  :no:

I am still deciding what race to go with but I guess it's all dependent on weather and wintering in my local area so will be contacting local beeks to see what works for them and go from there. Your website is chocked full of information and perusing it daily to see what I can absorb.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: iddee on January 22, 2015, 03:06:21 pm
Rob, whatever race you go with, they will be mutts in 2 years, so no need in paying extra now.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 22, 2015, 03:29:59 pm
Rob, whatever race you go with, they will be mutts in 2 years, so no need in paying extra now.
Hey Iddee, I'm guessing that is because eventually they will mix with bees local to the area?? Any chance you could provide me with a quick explanation?  :newhere:
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: iddee on January 22, 2015, 04:22:35 pm
Each time they swarm, the old queen goes with the swarm, leaving queen cells behind. One of the emerging queens goes out and mates with 10 to 25 drones. The second time it swarms, one of those drone's daughters will be the new queen and will mate with 10 to 25 again. With that generation, you have 1/4 what you bought, and 3/4 from up to 50 drones.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 22, 2015, 04:51:15 pm
Iddee is right. Be PROUD of those Mutts that survive the winter!
   What ever race you go with will only last as long as the Original queen does. When you replace her, the bees change. if they swarm ,the new queen mates locally, etc, etc..    that is not necessarily a bad thing.  Package queens from the south have a difficult time surviving here, much less where you are. When they supersede the queen, It makes me happy, because I feel that the new queen will have a better chance of surviving the winters.
   I import queens every year, but my bees are still mutts. I make new queens from the best queens i have, but those queens are mating with the feral drones, and the drones from the NWCarniolan hives, the VSH Gold hives, the MN Hygienic hives etc, etc...  so the bees are a mix of everything nearby.   I am OK with that, as long as they are gentle, productive, and their resistances continue to get better!

   Your quite right, thats a quarter horse, she has some foundation bloodlines, but she has a difficult time deciding what color she is. She has a brown head and black legs, mane and tail, but the rest of her changes colors with the seasons.. buckskin, red roan, and even WHITE through the spring.   She came to our place here when she was two weeeks old, and I "broke" her myself.   Broke...   she was my pet DOG while growing up. She followed me everywhere..  when the time came to put a saddle and bridle on her.. i just.. DID IT, and we rode into town together, the first time she had EVER been ridden.
   three years ago, my wife decided we needed to get rid of the horses. Hers had just bucked her off, and she was hurt, bruised and angry.. She has NOT ridden her horse since that happened..  so neither of them got ridden, until she decided they HAD TO GO... 
   I told her she was welcome to sell her horse, but not mine.
   She said, You cant even ride her why keep her?
   So I went out, saddled her up and rode her all over town. I rode her around the house, then I opened the house door and walked her inside. (We have stained concrete floors for a reason)   She (the wife) was completely astounded.. the next day SHE saddled up and rode MY hourse all over the place..  She has been doing that about once a week ever since. She now rides bareback so she doesnt have to fuss with the saddle..    We wont even discuss the FREAK her Andalusion is....
   BOTH were bred to a REALLY nice spotted draft. When the foals are born and weaned, the freak finds a new home so i can work the foals without her influence.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 22, 2015, 08:06:21 pm
Each time they swarm, the old queen goes with the swarm, leaving queen cells behind. One of the emerging queens goes out and mates with 10 to 25 drones. The second time it swarms, one of those drone's daughters will be the new queen and will mate with 10 to 25 again. With that generation, you have 1/4 what you bought, and 3/4 from up to 50 drones.

Iddee is right. Be PROUD of those Mutts that survive the winter!
   What ever race you go with will only last as long as the Original queen does. When you replace her, the bees change. if they swarm ,the new queen mates locally, etc, etc..    that is not necessarily a bad thing.  Package queens from the south have a difficult time surviving here, much less where you are. When they supersede the queen, It makes me happy, because I feel that the new queen will have a better chance of surviving the winters.
   I import queens every year, but my bees are still mutts. I make new queens from the best queens i have, but those queens are mating with the feral drones, and the drones from the NWCarniolan hives, the VSH Gold hives, the MN Hygienic hives etc, etc...  so the bees are a mix of everything nearby.   I am OK with that, as long as they are gentle, productive, and their resistances continue to get better!

   Your quite right, thats a quarter horse, she has some foundation bloodlines, but she has a difficult time deciding what color she is. She has a brown head and black legs, mane and tail, but the rest of her changes colors with the seasons.. buckskin, red roan, and even WHITE through the spring.   She came to our place here when she was two weeeks old, and I "broke" her myself.   Broke...   she was my pet DOG while growing up. She followed me everywhere..  when the time came to put a saddle and bridle on her.. i just.. DID IT, and we rode into town together, the first time she had EVER been ridden.
   three years ago, my wife decided we needed to get rid of the horses. Hers had just bucked her off, and she was hurt, bruised and angry.. She has NOT ridden her horse since that happened..  so neither of them got ridden, until she decided they HAD TO GO... 
   I told her she was welcome to sell her horse, but not mine.
   She said, You cant even ride her why keep her?
   So I went out, saddled her up and rode her all over town. I rode her around the house, then I opened the house door and walked her inside. (We have stained concrete floors for a reason)   She (the wife) was completely astounded.. the next day SHE saddled up and rode MY hourse all over the place..  She has been doing that about once a week ever since. She now rides bareback so she doesnt have to fuss with the saddle..    We wont even discuss the FREAK her Andalusion is....
   BOTH were bred to a REALLY nice spotted draft. When the foals are born and weaned, the freak finds a new home so i can work the foals without her influence.

Thanks Iddee and Scott, that's the reason I joined this forum. I was reading through Iddee's post and trying to wrap my head around what he was saying. It was sort of making sense to me but my lack of experience was preventing me from grasping the whole concept. Scotts follow up post just reinforced what Iddee was mentioning and now I get it. I find I can only learn so much by reading books and watching video's but I think nothing replaces actually doing it so I am looking forward to that. Now I just need to figure out what hives......... ???

Scott, that's a great story about your mare. Stained concrete floors or not, it would be interesting to see who would have been on the working end of that fork if........................ :laugh:

We are like you, awaiting two foals, one due in March and one in April. We usually have two every year. One is heading to a woman in Florida and the other to a gentleman in Caledon, Ontario.
   
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 22, 2015, 08:13:33 pm
Hopefully we get to see pictures of them!
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 22, 2015, 08:45:31 pm
Hopefully we get to see pictures of them!
Absolutely, we can share both ways when the time comes. Anxious to see what you get from that spotted draft. Sounds like an interesting combination.

I remembered why I liked Quarter horses when I was looking at yours. Being vertically challenged at 5" 7" I never had any issues throwing a saddle or a blanket on a quarter horse. Ours on the other hand makes it a workout throwing a saddle or a blanket on. All I can say is thank god english saddles are a lot lighter.... :laugh:

Quick pic of my better half about 12 years ago with one of our stallions. Had him until five years ago, when we had to put him down. No more stallions for us, way too much trouble. Life is too short.

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Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: iddee on January 22, 2015, 09:35:51 pm
Start with 2 Langstroth hives, Use 2 deeps for the brood, and mediums for the supers. If you stay with the hobby, you can choose your favorite and move to those hives over time. If you decide to leave the hobby, those will be the easiest to find a buyer for and bring the best price.

If you start with 1 hive, it will die out and you will lose heart. With 2, you can use one to support the other and keep them both alive.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 22, 2015, 09:52:48 pm
wow! Really pretty!   I mean the horse!... not that....  never mind...   :-[

   I agree, life is too short. I have had two in the past that i could handle, but it took a lot of working them.. I much prefer my hand raised mare.. i can go for two or three years without touching her, then hop on and go trail riding..

    Two hives also let you instantly SEE if one is weaker than the other, Two lets you compare.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: pistolpete on January 23, 2015, 01:25:56 am
don't worry too much about the race of the bees. Few suppliers can claim to sell pure races anyway.  The best bees for you are those that have thrived in your area for many generations.  The most important characteristic you should be looking for is temperament.  Calm and gentle bees are a joy to work with.  Hot ones will have you dreading inspection.   If a supplier tells you that their bees are a bit hot, but worth it because they are very productive, look somewhere else.   
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2015, 09:12:09 pm
Start with 2 Langstroth hives, Use 2 deeps for the brood, and mediums for the supers. If you stay with the hobby, you can choose your favorite and move to those hives over time. If you decide to leave the hobby, those will be the easiest to find a buyer for and bring the best price.

If you start with 1 hive, it will die out and you will lose heart. With 2, you can use one to support the other and keep them both alive.
Thanks Iddee, it's a good thing you mentioned that cause I was thinking of going with the D.E. Hive which is manufactured a few hours from where I am located but you make a very good point. If I decide that it's not for me then it's probably much easier to get rid of a standard hive. I was actually thinking of starting with four. Do you think that is too much for a beginner. Cheers

wow! Really pretty!   I mean the horse!... not that....  never mind...   :-[

   I agree, life is too short. I have had two in the past that i could handle, but it took a lot of working them.. I much prefer my hand raised mare.. i can go for two or three years without touching her, then hop on and go trail riding..

    Two hives also let you instantly SEE if one is weaker than the other, Two lets you compare.
Hey Scott, if you can let her pasture for a few years and then just get on and go, that is definitely a keeper. The stallions we had were both gentle giants and lived into their late twenties. The better half collected both those stallions by herself and use to ship semen all over the US and Canada. These days the availability of frozen semen from any of the best stallions in Germany is only a phone call away so ya, life is too short to handle the big guys and I have enough work with two mares and several other horses on the go.

I was thinking of starting with four hives as I mentioned above to Iddee but do think that would be too much for a beginner to handle? Cheers

don't worry too much about the race of the bees. Few suppliers can claim to sell pure races anyway.  The best bees for you are those that have thrived in your area for many generations.  The most important characteristic you should be looking for is temperament.  Calm and gentle bees are a joy to work with.  Hot ones will have you dreading inspection.   If a supplier tells you that their bees are a bit hot, but worth it because they are very productive, look somewhere else.   
Hey Pistolpete, I tend to agree with you on that one. I am looking for an enjoyable hobby that will take me into retirement a few years down the road at which point I will have more time and will likely add several more hives. Gentle bees will definitely be my goal. Thanks for the tip. Cheers.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: iddee on January 23, 2015, 09:37:20 pm
OK, I'll rephrase that.

Start with 2 to 5 hives.

1 is risking too much.

6 will overload a newbee.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 23, 2015, 09:42:56 pm
What Iddee said!

   In getting started thats pretty much what I say. Buy two! Three hives would be better, and I do not recommend more than four the first year, as it can get overwhelming while you try to figure everything out.

   http://outyard.weebly.com/getting-started.html
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Curtchann on January 24, 2015, 12:11:44 pm
Welcome Rob, lots of great beeks here and ton's of information and help!
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: riverbee on January 24, 2015, 12:37:12 pm
as has been said, start with no less than two hives, and i am with scott, no more than four.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: efmesch on January 24, 2015, 01:52:34 pm
Welcome to the forum, Rob.  It looks like you're starting off getting right down to business.  I took note of one statement you posted,
"...will be contacting local beeks to see what works for them and go from there." 
Brilliant!  Local beeks will be an invaluable resource for practical, hands-on information.  Here on the forum you can get all sorts of answers---sometimes totally in disagreement with one another---yet they can all be correct, each one depending on the locale involved. 
We'll enjoy exchanging information with you, but as good as our advice may be, your neighbors' will probably be best.  If you can get one of them to invite you to watch him/her working the hives, it should help speed up your progress.
But rest assured, we're with you all the way.   :)
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Bamabww on January 25, 2015, 05:22:51 am
Welcome Rob. This is absolutely the friendliest and most knowlegeable  beekeeping forum you'll ever find. Lots of good folks and info here. Best of luck with your farm and bees.
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 25, 2015, 06:29:50 pm
OK, I'll rephrase that.

Start with 2 to 5 hives.

1 is risking too much.

6 will overload a newbee.


What Iddee said!

   In getting started thats pretty much what I say. Buy two! Three hives would be better, and I do not recommend more than four the first year, as it can get overwhelming while you try to figure everything out.

   http://outyard.weebly.com/getting-started.html

Thanks Iddee and Scott, I think that four will be the number for me to start with. I will start the building process and go with standard Langs as Iddee suggested. Off to the workshop we go. Cheers
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 25, 2015, 06:33:16 pm
Welcome Rob, lots of great beeks here and ton's of information and help!
Thanks Curtchann, absolutely right, lot's of information available and a great group of people willing to help. Cheers
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Riverrat on January 25, 2015, 06:36:48 pm
Another welcome addition to the tundra division. Glad to have you on board
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 25, 2015, 06:38:38 pm
as has been said, start with no less than two hives, and i am with scott, no more than four.
Thanks Riverbee, heading out to the shop to make some sawdust. Cheers  :)
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 25, 2015, 06:51:52 pm
Welcome to the forum, Rob.  It looks like you're starting off getting right down to business.  I took note of one statement you posted,
"...will be contacting local beeks to see what works for them and go from there." 
Brilliant!  Local beeks will be an invaluable resource for practical, hands-on information.  Here on the forum you can get all sorts of answers---sometimes totally in disagreement with one another---yet they can all be correct, each one depending on the locale involved. 
We'll enjoy exchanging information with you, but as good as our advice may be, your neighbors' will probably be best.  If you can get one of them to invite you to watch him/her working the hives, it should help speed up your progress.
But rest assured, we're with you all the way.   :)
Thanks Efmesch, I have been doing a ton of research to make sure I'm headed in the right direction. Unfortunately with temps in the -15 to -25 celsius right now all I can do is research and keep building. I am talking with local beeks to see what works and what doesn't. Hopefully will be attending a beekeeping course starting in February and will ask local beeks if I can visit their apiaries. Stay safe. Cheers
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 25, 2015, 06:58:01 pm
Welcome Rob. This is absolutely the friendliest and most knowlegeable  beekeeping forum you'll ever find. Lots of good folks and info here. Best of luck with your farm and bees.
Thanks Bamabww, I have to agree. I hung out here for a month or so before I registered and there was no doubt that this is where I wanted to take part. Great people, an abundance of knowledge and NO drama. Cheers
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 25, 2015, 07:03:21 pm
Another welcome addition to the tundra division. Glad to have you on board
Thanks Riverrat, glad to be part of the tundra division, -6 Fahrenheit right now as I type this. What was I thinking.  :eusa_wall: Cheers
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: tedh on January 28, 2015, 08:36:42 am
Hi Rob! Welcome to the forum!  Ted
Title: Re: Hi from Wanna-Bee Beekeeper from Ontario
Post by: Rob on January 29, 2015, 02:09:19 pm
Hi Rob! Welcome to the forum!  Ted
Hey Ted, thanks for the welcome.  :)