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General Discussion => Any and Every Thing => Topic started by: Gypsi on February 18, 2015, 10:08:13 am
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But my kid had low thyroid at age 31 and insisted it must have come from somewhere and since she was not found under a cabbage mom got sent to the doctor.
I have a thyroid sonogram today. apparently I have hashimoto.thyroiditis and some kind of autoimmune action or that is some kind of auto immune problem
I think maybe the thyroid is why my blood sugar was high. My cholesterol is low but the balance is wrong hdl/ldl.
I have lived on a diet for my entire life, no dairy, no candy no sweets etc and they have put me on a tighter one, which I may or may not respect because frankly I don't think good numbers are worth starving for. But I am now off beef.
and I am sure the mercury in fish is going to kill me. YUCK And I nearly fell over when she told me gluten could contribute to the auto immune stuff. I can't eat bread because there is milk in it, I don't eat pasta because I gained 12 lbs when I quit smoking 3 years ago and it hasn't left yet, I barely eat rice which has no gluten at all.
anyone else been handed a ridiculous diet lately?
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gyspi,
some endocrinologists say it is genetic, or hereditary. i am familiar with hashimotos and the opposite, graves disease. they are autoimmune illnesses. the problem is really not with the thyroid, the problem lies in your immune system and rather than someone figuring out how to fix the immune system they treat the thyroid to fool the immune system into thinking the thyroid is functioning properly so the immune system doesn't try to attack it. ;D
with each has drawbacks, graves disease is treated with radiation, which causes other problems. with both treatment is with synthetic thyroid medications.
LOL, not so sure about the strict diet.......... :D
about 12 years ago or more, i decided to change my own eating habits and diet, and maintain a regular exercise routine (always did this anyway) no junk food, pizza, chips, mcdonalds, etc......fresh fruits and vegatables, a variety of fish and meats, limit pasta, breads, etc. , sugar and sweets.
going into the best years of my life, i don't need to add any more fat cells that are going to cause health problems or weight gain i can't get off..... :D
are they placing you on medication?
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I'm on Armour thyroid. Started at 15 mg expect it to go up. I eat healthy. I use sugar or honey in my tea, which is why the diet stuff really irritated me. don't drink sodas, maybe a cup of coffee every other day
I don't drink, smoke, eat chips candy pizza nothing, with food allergies I cook so I know what is in my food. I don't eat wheat so no gluten. I climb waterfalls garden walk and train dogs, bicycle and barely watch any tv. no couch potato. I eat enough to support my activity level, and drop lunch in winter when I'm less active, have a handful of dry oatmeal sometimes.
going to get the sonogram of the thyroid - getting this nonsense over with. I don't want golden years. At 80 everyone in my family has alzheimers or dementia. no gold in those numbers
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anyone else been handed a ridiculous diet lately?
It could always be worse.
Take my wife. Please! (no no no, I'm just kidding! ;D )
None of the following: :o
Apples
Cherries
Nuts
Wheat or anything with gluten
Peanuts
Sulfites
Synthetic Ascorbic Acid
Tylenol
Aspirin
NSIDs
(I know I've probably forgotten a few things)
and of course bee stings
That kind of narrows down the diet/medicines
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Wow! That is a lot of limitation Slow, and those are good for you foods, apples, cherries, and nuts are super good for you. But I don't live in her body so what do I know? :D :D
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Well I survived the sonogram. couple of nodules on thyroid but basically normal looking. and my doctor has a patented B6 formula for those of us with a genetic inability to process folate. I have a 30% reduction in my ability to process B6 and convert it to methylfolate which my body can use. But funny thing I've always taken Stresstabs vitamins with a LOT of B6 in them, because I felt better when I took them. So my pharmacy calls and for $30.44 (at costco) my doctor has ordered in her chosen methylfolate supplement (which btw I can pick up on Amazon for about $6 and from Swanson for about $8.) I picked up the scrip for kicks and giggles and to read the label.
One of my daughters is pregnant. SHE may have trouble converting folate to methylfolate.
As far as the restrictions, I am sticking with my normal diet. I do not have celiac disease, I consume very little gluten anyway, the oils in my house are olive oil and coconut oil, I don't eat dairy anyway so no big change, I am dumping beef as much for wild horse preservation as for anything my doctor has to say, and I also am allergic to NSAIDS and sulfa antibiotics. As far as the blood sugar reducing pill, I took it per instructions first day and it made me sick. If I were diabetic cuts and scratches would not heal, and I am constantly scratched by something or other and they heal just fine. I may try to reduce the sugar in my tea or simply drink it black part of the day. I have already added water and dumped coffee, for the most part
I do not plan on making my life miserable. My health issues can probably all be tracked back to a tired thyroid, and taking thyroid meds are no big deal.
I will eat what I want within reason, I am not overweight and my cholesterol balance can Probably be tracked to nibbling braunschweiger when giving my dog his turmeric paste and pills in it. The dog with cancer, btw, while he is a 7.5 year old rotti and they usually last to age 9, no longer has a swollen lymph node and is doing well. I however need to get out of the braunschweiger and that would be easiest if I didn't feed it to the dog who probably doesn't need the fat either. That is a dietary change I will make.
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Joke I found particularly meaningful:
Will I live to be 80?
I recently turned 65 and had to choose a new primary care physician for my Medicare program.
After two visits and exhaustive lab tests, he said I was doing "fairly well" for my age.
A little concerned about that comment, I couldn't resist asking him, "Do you think I will live to be 80?"
He asked: Do you smoke tobacco or drink alcoholic beverages?"
"Oh no," I replied. "I don't do drugs, either."
"Do you have many friends and entertain frequently?"
"I said, "No, I usually stay home and keep to myself".
"Do you eat rib-eye steaks and barbecued ribs?"
I said, "No, my other doctor said that all red meat is unhealthy!"
"Do you spend a lot of time in the sun, like playing golf, sailing, hiking, or bicycling?"
"No, I don't," I said.
"Do you gamble, drive fast cars, or have a lot of sex?"
"No," I said. "I don't do any of those things."
He looked at me and said, "Then why do you care?
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I have relatives that are still alive (and alert) at 99 years old and every time I visited them over the years I couldn’t believe the crap they would eat! They followed NONE of the rules the nutritionists tell us to follow. Lots of high fats and animal products. That’s the way the older generations ate; not a lot of processed stuff.
I thought I had a thyroid problem about 10 years ago and had it tested and retested and it came back fine. I figured that would be the least of my problems ;D Anyways they recommended some changes in diet too. It seems the doctors all have the same play book 8)
I quit eating beef and drinking soda for about 10 years and can’t say I really missed it. I finally decided what I eat probably isn’t going to kill me (based on the junk my 99 year old relatives ate) if I maintain good weight and exercise regimes. Also take extra B vitamins.
Right now the main goal is trying to survive -18F :'(
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good to hear back from you gypsi , so no autoimmune disease of the thyroid? a deficiency if i am reading right? , (sorry).
the joke........LOL!!!!
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I sorta live by that joke. I spent 7 days in the hospital in 1974. When discharged, the nurse gave me a diet covering less than a half page. I asked her how long I needed to stay on it. She replied, "as long as you want to live".
I replied, " I don't", laid it down and walked out. I try to eat healthy second, what I want first.
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I have lived with allergies that ended my first choice career before I was out of high school. I was able to have a dog in the house for the first time at age 49, and I can never volunteer on site at a shelter
I have; lived on a high protein low carb diet since the age of 17, almost 40 years.
I almost laughed when she prescribed that diet. She wants me below 100 grams of carbs a day. The only sugar I have is accompanied by caffeine, so I burn it off. I don't eat bread potatoes or pasta. Then she prescribed gluten free, don't have much gluten now... we will be chatting.
I will not remarry, last husband would have had me hooked up to machines for 30 years to keep him from being alone if that is what it took. I don't like hospitals or machines. I am allergic to drugs, they are just tools to make me miserable before I die.
While I live and enjoy life, I will live. If I'm not enjoying life, time to boot the job, husband child or whatever and move on and find something new to do. My children are grown, parents dead, I don't owe my time and life to anyone. Studying wallpaper in a retirement home isn't on my list.
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Update:
well the sonogram is an interesting thing. first email from the doctor's office said small nodule on thyroid, re-sonogram in 3 months. Today's email said rush biopsy huge nodule on thyroid. The tech who did the sonogram didn't seem to see anything all that alarming, not perfect but not alarming.
The first email was calm.
So before I jumped to panic mode on the 2nd one I considered that the same doctor prescribed me a diabetic medicine when I am not diabetic, and prescribed me a patented form of methylfolate by calling it into my pharmacy after I declined it at the office, as one of my b6 processing genes is running at 100% and the other is at 70%.. I think my doctor is a hypochondriac. Seeking a 2nd opinion, out of network, paying cash, before I do more than take my 15 mg Armour thyroid in the morning. I'm hypoglycemic, that sugar dropper could have been quite dangerous, it made me feel quite ill the day I took it just in case I really needed it. I stopped.
Tort reform has made it almost impossible to sue a Texas doctor even if they kill you, so let the patient beware.. I'm wary. Stay warm,
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I'm all for second opinions Gypsi ~
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Gypsi, sorry to hear about your thyroid diagnosis. I have a low functioning thyroid and have for many years. In my case it is hereditary. One of my sisters and my 87 year old mother are the same. The thyroid does an amazing function and I would recommend staying with a program the doctor has prescribed. I am certain that thyroid problems tend to be geographical. Diagnosis is rare in certain parts of the country and therefore some doctors don't know how to effectively treat thyroid issues. In this region, thyroid issues are common.
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Hang in there Gypsi!!
But I am with Iddee.. when you said...
But I am now off beef.
I was all done right there.. I MIGHT stop going to my Favorite resauraunt., (McDonalds #4 double quarter pounder with cheese and supersize fries) But There is no way I could stop eating beef. It makes up 70% of my diet, Potatoes make up 25% then there is Pizza.... ;D
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Quarter Pounder with Cheese = 520 calories, 26 grams of fat, 12 grams Sat fat, 1.5 grams TRANS fat, 1100 mg salt
Large Fries = 510 calories, 24 grams of fat, 3.5 grams of Sat fat.
That's a half days worth of calories and 8/10s day worth of fat in one meal!
Let’s hope you go for a diet drink with that combo. ;D
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I'm with LazyB on this one ;D. Like grandpa said, when i die? it won't be because i'm in debt to my stomach, :D. My wife had two goiter operations before she was 30 yrs. old, the service wouldn't take my brothers in the army because they had Thyroid, but they let me in and i had Thyroid and flat feet, :D Jack
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Considering I usually only eat two meals a day it works out OK... I put on weight in the winter, and lose it in the summer.. Put on WAY too much this winter though... Looking forward to getting it gone.
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I too have changed my thoughts on food. Never did do much with calorie counting. What I'm comfortable with is food that is not packaged. Try and eat the way food comes from the ground. Cattle feet are on the ground, that's good enough for me. Although I can't get by with the McDonald's foods withoug a gut ache, I do like a good hamburger where the chef digs into a big glob of quality hamburger (preferably local) at the side of the grill, flattens it in between his hands a few times and throws it onto the griddle. Now we're talkin' ;D
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Maybe we can learn from the bees and store our winter food in our homes and not in our bodies 8)
I have seen yellow jackets hanging around MickyDs but not honey bees. Maybe the bees are wiser than we think :laugh:
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Considering I usually only eat two meals a day it works out OK... I put on weight in the winter, and lose it in the summer.. Put on WAY too much this winter though... Looking forward to getting it gone.
:yes: :yes: :yes:
Beekeeping weight = 185 lbs.
Currently = 202 lbs. :-[ :-[ :-[
Always comes off when the suit goes on though.
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Perry, maybe you need some more snow to shovel ;D
Sorry, cabin fever is starting to set in :D
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LOL
too true.. I quit the Skoal habit... just decided enough was enough and quit, then the weight went on FAST... but am holding RIGHT at 200 now, 180 is the goal. Being able to get out and stay out is the secret.. No slowing down when the weather starts to turn..
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I'm with LazyB on this one ;D. Like grandpa said, when i die? it won't be because i'm in debt to my stomach, :D. My wife had two goiter operations before she was 30 yrs. old, the service wouldn't take my brothers in the army because they had Thyroid, but they let me in and i had Thyroid and flat feet, :D Jack
When I die I am going to donate my body to science fiction. ;D
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Slow- "When I die I am going to donate my body to science fiction.
That's funny :)
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I can't imagine that science, not science fiction, needs any more trashed out bodies. But Slow's comment was funny.
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There are only 3 real things wrong with my thyroid test. 1. TSH 18.2 The other 2 are auto immune stuff attacking the thyroid, doc says gluten causes it. I am not sure about that. I can get all the way gluten free but it isn't a big jump.
I am taking my thyroid meds. I am also getting a 2nd opinion from a diabetes / thyroid clinic that is not on my insurance plan but is very very good according to a young friend of my daughters who has had a lot of thyroid issues. that 2nd email with the panic must have surgery was scary but almost certainly attempted insurance fraud. It happens. A lot.
I called the sonogram place today to request a copy of my sonogram for a 2nd opinion and told her about the 2 emails, first day, small nodule see you in 3 months, 2nd day panic, giant nodule needs surgery immediately. She laughed. I pick up my copies tomorrow, and while I do have issues going on, I am not going to trash my life making a doctor rich on unnecessary surgery.
I make 80 to 90% of my income between March and July and unless there is a fast growing cancer all surgeries except maybe a needle biopsy will wait until July. I am not going to make myself homeless over it. Starvation is a real threat, there are zero social services I qualify for that would pay my mortgage or utilities and I have no living family that would be of any help. Frankly folks, I could end up living under a bridge relatively easy. So I will dictate my care around my business schedule unless there is a genuine emergency.
And I think I will donate my body to science fiction too Jack.
Lazy - if I could find decent actual local beef I would eat some beef but I can't. I can however get grass fed lamb.
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Lamb will work, I have heard fresh goat is good too.. Been thinking about getting a few, they are a lot of fun to watch. My fear, is that the wife will make them pets, then it gets hard for me to eat them when she glares at me with accusing eyes. Happened with my meat rabbits.... Had to get rid of them.
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"There are only 3 real things wrong with my thyroid test. 1. TSH 18.2 The other 2 are auto immune stuff attacking the thyroid, doc says gluten causes it. I am not sure about that. "
tsh, t-3 and t-4. gypsi that tsh level is extremely high. are you seeing an endocrinologist for the 2nd opinion at the diabetes/thyroid clinic?
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my t3 and t4 are normal. The high ones are
Anti-thyro Globulin: 575
Anti-Thyro Peroxidase : 600
These 2 she says are caused by gluten, but I barely eat any bread and if I have had pasta 3 times in the last 6 months that is about it I don't eat processed foods that would have hidden gluten. Eggs, veggies and meat are gluten free foods So something is up. But a 2nd opinion is necessary, I've had enough lies and would prefer to speak with someone who doesn't have a rich insurance payout coming for unnecessary procedures. I have paid cash for my health care virtually all of my life, I have drug allergies and unnecessary anything is NOT a good idea.
I have to get all my records and my sonogram picked up and to the thyroid clinic and then they will call me if they approve me for a 2nd opinion since I am cash pay and out of network. I picked the wrong insurance plan,
Blue Cross HMO almost no doctors take. Too bad. If it leaves only crooked ones available. but I can see a bad doctor and still come out ok as long as I use my head. Done that before too.
we have had an ice storm today.
Whatever is going on has been going on for about 5 years at my guess, that is when my energy levels dropped a bit, and I doubt seriously that it is a crisis. I actually feel much better just taking 15 mg of Armour thyroid
Lazy, I loved my pet goat. agreed to let her male offspring provide a bbq when she was pregnant, then she went and pulled an escape, died on me and broke my heart. I don't think I can eat goat. If I get better fencing I can have a milk goat again. I love goat cheese.
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gypsi,
i appreciate your reply, the "Anti-thyro Globulin: 575 Anti-Thyro Peroxidase : 600", these are, if i have this correct antibody tests sometimes done by gp's. sometimes these levels go up and down......it is the tsh level that is most important, and the t3 and t4 levels.
are you seeing an endocrinologist on the 2nd opinion?
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if I can find an endocrinologist that will accept me. The clinic I am going to drop records to has several I picked up my cd with my sonogram today. I have 2 thyroid nodules, one is 2 mm and one is 3 mm.
I can't go to just any doctor or hospital or endocrinologist and say here I am treat me. If they do not accept my insurance and do not accept cash pay patients then I can't go there.
The one I am dropping records to might accept me. My credit is good. Yes that is important, lol. Never mind if I am sick or well, that is not important
Dr who reviewed my sonograms at the imaging place recommended another sonogram in 6 months, so I have time to see what the Armour thyroid does in case no one is willing to do a 2nd opinion
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My doctor's office called a bit after 5 yesterday - the rush biopsy doctor - and said they had decided on a re-sonogram in 3 months. I suggested a needle biopsy after their scary email last week and in truth one of these nodules is too small for a needle biopsy (2 x 3 mm) so I really think the panicky email was a trumped up test the water, rake in some easy insurance cash. Glad I didn't panic. With drug allergies unnecessary surgeries are never a good idea
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There are some good doctors, my wife had a bad one (a surgeon ) when she broke her arm, the cast wasn't right and when she told him it was to tight he said it's because it was healing, she still has trouble and pain in it after 12 yrs.( and she's not one to complain) This same surgeon is being sued now for operating on the wrong knee in two total knee replacement cases. ??? Jack
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well a chiropractor trying to fix my daughter's migraines a year ago broke her jaw. He genuinely feels remorseful, the jaw is approximately healed but the muscles aren't right and she is in constant pain. I have talked her into seeing a neurologist at her expense or mine as the darned fool is kind of vanishing and no lawyer will take the case as tort reform has made medical malpractice not profitable. Constant pain is not good for the mind.
on the "I'm eating crow" side of this, I think the doc was right about gluten causing the problems. I am a creature of habit, I eat the same thing for breakfast or lunch for a year, sometimes years, at a time, as I hit the ground running for work and have zero imagination.
There are two distinct diseases: Celiac disease, where when you eat gluten, your antibodies to it destroy your stomach, and gluten-intolerance, where your antibodies attack all over your body. Doctors who specialize in celiac now recognize both diseases. Much research is going on. Those who have gluten-intolerance/celiac are 30% more likely to have hypothyroid disease, as well as develop diabetes.
My doctor suggested that gluten was increasing the thyroid attacking antibodies in my blood, and I disagreed til I remembered when my metabolism shifted and my energy dropped. The year I ate shredded wheat with almond milk for breakfast every day. After my intestines began to torture me I went back to 3 eggs no bread no cereal and the intestines have gradually improved, but perhaps the thyroid attack really is from gluten. Not sure. Giving up gluten to find out. It may have been the wheat all along. I improved when I went back to eggs, but I do eat a subway whole wheat bun sandwich around once a week, or a sonic chicken wrap in a tortilla. And I've had a lot of shoulder pain that the turmeric did not clear up, figured it was muscle strain. Well I am off work for the cold weather, and I found a partial loaf of bread left over from the grandkids, and my shoulders were feeling good yesterday, so I had a slice of bread with my eggs. And today, my shoulder is killing me. Oooops...
Threw the bread out, giving away all my wheat flour and stuff with gluten today. Going to see what happens, I get new thyroid testing done in 4 weeks or so. I may even hold of on the 2nd opinion right now. (esp since the freeze has me off work and no money coming in the door.)
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Never got the 2nd opinion, have diligently taken my thyroid meds, but can barely drag out of bed and keep falling asleep at the wheel. No energy to go through the hives. So all in all while the doctor hasn't killed me yet, apparently she's working on it. My BP was 95/59 at my daughter's on Friday. Nice to know that those energy enhancing thyroid hormones are working. I was at 120/80 before them. Relieved to discover what is wrong before I die.
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Never got the 2nd opinion, have diligently taken my thyroid meds, but can barely drag out of bed and keep falling asleep at the wheel. No energy to go through the hives. So all in all while the doctor hasn't killed me yet, apparently she's working on it. My BP was 95/59 at my daughter's on Friday. Nice to know that those energy enhancing thyroid hormones are working. I was at 120/80 before them. Relieved to discover what is wrong before I die.
I asked for a second opinion once, and he said, "And you're ugly, too!" badda boom ;)
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Instead of a 2nd opinion I'm getting a BP monitor, and I'm already testing my own blood sugar several times a day, started Friday, to get a handle on what is up with my body that is hitting my energy levels so hard. Have an appointment for a blood draw for thyroid testing tomorrow morning. Still feel like cr*p
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gypsi, a bp monitor?
this isn't going to tell you what the problem is. get the second opinion, find an endocrinologist to get to the bottom of the problem. just my humble opinon. ;)
thyroid tests, good plan.
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I have no time for the second opinion right now. If I do not earn money in the spring I do not make it through the year. It has been a horrendous week, but I'll get by.
I did go in to the original clinic and get blood drawn for thyroid panel. results in a couple of weeks. at this point my give a blank is so far broken I don't think it is recoverable.
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ok gypsi, forgive me.....no time for a second opinion on what's going on?
then prepare to stay 'sick', and you will most likely suffer until your give a blank finally kicks in or your fighting side says 'enough'. i say this with deep concern and care.
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I didn't get actual test results with numbers yet, but they upped my thyroid medicine. It will have to do. I have no money or time to seek out a new doctor, and my choices are severely limited by my insurance.
I used to just pay cash for health care but I can't afford it this year. I will suffer and die. Not a problem. So far as I know no matter how many great doctors anyone has, no one lives forever.
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Good Grief Gypsi! I have stuff wrong with me as well, I've even had cancer and so have you. I'm not going to give up. Period!
Maya Angelou is one of my favorite poets, this is for you my friend ;)
You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may tread me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.
Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.
Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.
Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
Weakened by my soulful cries.
Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin' in my own back yard.
You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I'll rise.
Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?
Out of the huts of history's shame
I rise
Up from a past that's rooted in pain
I rise
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
I rise
Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
I rise
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
I rise
I rise
I rise.
Maya Angelou
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I am going to enjoy life while I live and spending it in fear of disease or fear of anything is just not any fun. I could give 2 hoots over the latest whatever.
Please understand if I don't check out before age 80 I won't know my own name or anyone else's anyway.
The disadvantage of watching multiple relatives die of alzheimers is I know what the end looks like.
Part of the tests I had run in January were genetics. I carry the gene. The more positive, active and learning, moving forward I stay, the better I can hold it off. I can hold it off a little with diet but more with being around positive people and not focusing on fears and diseases. Got a new book: Goddesses Never Age.
I find spending 4 hours on the phone trying to find a second opinion doc and a few hundred dollars out of pocket plus a couple of thousand dollars for more tests much more negative than spending a few hours with a friend having fun, so I'm going with enjoying life.
To each their own. If you like doctors offices, hospital borne infections, sticks and needles and shaking fingers and living on chicken fish and vegetables to preserve every single minute of those doctors visits and nursing home time more power to you.
I have serviced aquariums in nursing homes, on the alzheimers floor, the one with the password to open the elevator. Not going there guys, but you do what you want
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Atta Girl! In my research it is said to do brain excercises, crossword puzzles, work in community kitchens with people who have to put recipes together, read books that are a little too hard to understand, play the piano or learn how to. Stuff like that, I would imagine your koi pond business is very brain stimulating. Beekeeping for me is constant brain stimulation :)
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I added bees for the mental stretch, but am expanding off into permaculture now. speaking of which 4 yards of dirt awaits me. Have a good day Jen
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Nice chat Gypsi, good day to you to :)
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My motto has always been, "I'd rather live 50 happy years than 100 miserable ones". I live for today, leave tomorrow up to the big guy.
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I agree with your motto Iddee - always have.