Worldwide Beekeeping
Sustainable Living => Homestead => Topic started by: Alleyyooper on June 14, 2015, 01:14:01 pm
-
I stopped growing a big garden when the kids went off to college and we changed the locks on the doors. I grew a few things I like and a couple that Kare likes in containers. But in 2013 the container stuff didn't do so well for some reason so I decided to try some raised beds, cheap enough to build with 2"x8" 8'x4' and only one to try. Man did it ever work well. I had 6 tomato plants 2 pepper plants and 2 egg plants and 2 summer yellow crook neck squash in there.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2F014%2520garden%2520stuff%2FVeggiegardencropped2_zps0c25fb3d.jpg&hash=22c647098e6d22c8b46d6b65d04f4d84685d9ed2) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/014%20garden%20stuff/Veggiegardencropped2_zps0c25fb3d.jpg.html)
They really grew good with lots of produce, I gave away a lot of tomatoes but I ate the peppers squash and egg plants my self.
Was a easy thing to cover the plants when they were forecasting a frost although I did it different after I got the picture.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2F014%2520garden%2520stuff%2FFrostworries_zps84283bf3.jpg&hash=4d7df2529d5139061b30d98fbea8d015892eea56) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/014%20garden%20stuff/Frostworries_zps84283bf3.jpg.html)
Tomatoes plants got to over 6 foot tall. I have never ever had them get that tall and I only use 95% dirt from the woods and 5% dirt I had dumped out of my old containers
.
Egg plant.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2F014%2520garden%2520stuff%2FEggplant_zpsa4006be4.jpg&hash=a60d037a65c467bcc9e44f3658ca2d67992217d0) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/014%20garden%20stuff/Eggplant_zpsa4006be4.jpg.html)
A pepper.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2F014%2520garden%2520stuff%2FPeppers_zpsbeda4eb3.jpg&hash=93c0f7289bd20bd5bf8dc2f6a860d3649552dbe3) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/014%20garden%20stuff/Peppers_zpsbeda4eb3.jpg.html)
One of the hundreds of pounds of tomatoes.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2F014%2520garden%2520stuff%2Ftennisballtomatoes_zps0248f14d.jpg&hash=725481a5a429f91c9118a66106fc4afe255f0d67) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/014%20garden%20stuff/tennisballtomatoes_zps0248f14d.jpg.html)
More tomatoes.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2F014%2520garden%2520stuff%2FGrapetomatoes_zpseb85809c.jpg&hash=aa5d04b162ba3e11d4248473351529c7ef0fe272) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/014%20garden%20stuff/Grapetomatoes_zpseb85809c.jpg.html)
One of the squash.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2F014%2520garden%2520stuff%2FSquash_zpsddcdeee9.jpg&hash=7c7c29418a60a2fc6f05081e84129f9a51ed6a61) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/014%20garden%20stuff/Squash_zpsddcdeee9.jpg.html)
;D Al
-
That raised bed worked so well I decided I was going to do two more this year, us recycled 2"x6" lumber stacked up to make a bed 8'x4'x11" deep.
got the first one finished and laid down a inch of old news papers to keep the weeds from growing up thru.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2FAug%252001%25202003_2867_zpszdwowhzo.jpg&hash=9f63a83e1c490fa38d7c70015292e483ab8f0675) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/Aug%2001%202003_2867_zpszdwowhzo.jpg.html)
Then filled it with dirt from the woods 100%. I broke up the clods with a garden 3 tine hand tiller in the trailer before I shoveled it in the beds. I was able to get a lot of the roots and such out that way.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2FAug%252001%25202003_2891_zps5yndjqsu.jpg&hash=721d2f376ff18db36b616907111f5738d9513bed) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/Aug%2001%202003_2891_zps5yndjqsu.jpg.html)
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2FAug%252001%25202003_2893_zpslh3z2kuf.jpg&hash=20ad84cbeccc3d4e4b0de46b8a840fbe14b5f2dc) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/Aug%2001%202003_2893_zpslh3z2kuf.jpg.html)
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy60%2Ftwotracker%2FAug%252001%25202003_2894_zps3somjevf.jpg&hash=c0d694a34be27d67f8714e2118c8bd2afe1adb50) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/twotracker/media/Aug%2001%202003_2894_zps3somjevf.jpg.html)
Finished it and started assembling the second one and the MONSOON set in 8 days out of 10 it has rained. I got the second one assembled but no dirt yet.
Got me to thinking, OH NO !!!!!!!
Someone told me or I read some place that after melting the wax out of the comb that remaining stuff in the frame was good for the garden. Now I have found no information on that.
So I ask am I loosing my crazy mind or did I really hear or read that information?
;D Al
-
Nice beds! Did you change the locks so your kids couldn't get back in?
-
You just can't go wrong with raised beds. Less weed invasion, less bending, more heat in the soil.
I built these using rough 2 X 10 hemlock, and they are basically 2 X 8 by 4' wide with a couple of 4' X 4' thrown in for an interesting layout. Our harvest have never been better.
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.postimg.cc%2Feizg26h3f%2FRaised_Beds_003.jpg&hash=9139b1a7ec5ebdae09c4de35469f4e4abc893d00) (http://postimg.cc/image/eizg26h3f/)
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs28.postimg.cc%2Fs1yx7qxt5%2Fgarden_005.jpg&hash=e09e5f3d743d0aab80c75d799538c3eb4c5379e8) (http://postimg.cc/image/s1yx7qxt5/)
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs8.postimg.cc%2Fz24jz8qkh%2FBerries_004.jpg&hash=356fac20c146c1ccf9266b825e3b2ff2d1acb26a) (http://postimg.cc/image/z24jz8qkh/)
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs8.postimg.cc%2Fuvoaxngch%2FBerries_005.jpg&hash=08cb0a8090932f1c07ab19a4996c91329332f179) (http://postimg.cc/image/uvoaxngch/)
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs10.postimg.cc%2Fw9l2dhbmt%2FBerries_003.jpg&hash=10b3fb3ed129e90d285319f36ceeee03b2d0b711) (http://postimg.cc/image/w9l2dhbmt/)
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs23.postimg.cc%2F53zf8if2f%2Fgarden_008.jpg&hash=2ceb536991073d5966378103772b284071d3b9d1) (http://postimg.cc/image/53zf8if2f/)
-
We are heading to raised beds also. Put in strawberries this year for the first time (tired of eating those flavorless ones from the store), so we did a raised bed for them. Next year we will do another one and on and on until we have all we need. My neighbor has a very, very bad back and she has put in raised beds that are waist high. They sit on 4 x 4 posts. I took care of her garden for two weeks and have to admit, it was so easy not having to bend over. Still skeptical though. I have given her lots of vermipods from my worm bins to put in her beds to help enrich the soil. I wonder if the earthworms will survive the winter being elevated?
-
@perry:
You are a neat freak. That's a good thing. Your beds are so well built. Yes, I did notice the level. Your wife is cute too, and that's a good thing. It doesn't cost anymore to keep a cute one. :)
-
Perry's not a neat freak, if he was he would spray Roundup to kill the weeds outside his raised beds. :laugh: :laugh: Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Nice job to everyone on the raised beds.....they are a smart alternative to bad and aging backs.
-
We don't have deep penetrating freezing in my area, so raised beds do not let bulbs and roots freeze. The benefits of the raised beds are better drainage, warmer soil, easing of my back and the lack of encroaching grasses.
-
Hey Shooter, yea, she's a keeper (not bees) alright. I shoulda removed that level. :D
Les, that is all now nice green grass in between the beds. I was going to do landscape cloth and pebble stone but figured I'd save a some money (and work) by going with grass.
-
Al, yes, I have read several times to add the slumgum from old comb to compost piles. It is supposed to be quite an enrichment.
-
This is the first year of trying the raised garden thing,So far I like it and am thinking of making more for next year.
-
Thanks iddee I thought I had read that some place or heard some one at a club meeting mention it.
I can not say that it does much to save my back as the beds are only 7.5 and 11 inches tall. When I did the row thing in the old garden I used a counter rotating tine tiller and would run it thu the garden about every 3 days and go between the plants with a home made rake cultivator.
I keep my raised beds (now that I have more than one) far enough apart I can run a 22 inch self propelled mower between them.
Yes the locks were changed so the KID'S couldn't come and go as they pleased any longer. After all they never gave a key to their homes so we could just come and go.
:) Al
-
Having deer troubles first time in 29 years and I used to have a open garden near a vacant over grown field with sweet corn even.
Told Kare they made me mad so come fall I will because I can buy 5 doe tags a day for 5 days and fill them all. :laugh: Deer want to eat my veggies I will just eat them instead. Kare isn't happy about that said to put up a electric fence, then turns around and wants me to get a cheap one that won't even make a :o dog howl when it pees on it.
;D Al
-
I think raised beds are great and I was thinking about making some but what happens 2, 3, or 4 years into it. No one can tell me that weeds don't start to grow and soil gets compacted. What do you do then?
-
tbone, I don't think the beds will become compacted because you are not walking on them. If you introduce some nice compost every year, that should keep the soil nice and fluffy. You are going to get weeds no matter what because some are airborne but the ones that creep out along the ground with runners will not get into the beds. As an extra edge for me, I placed weed block on the bottom of my raised beds and hardware clothe to keep out the doggone moles before I filled with a combination of garden soil and compost. We used 12 x 8 x 2 pine boards.
-
Because your not walking on the soil it only gets packed from rain fall and snow in the winter. I light dragging of a finger type cultivator thru it loosens it up enough. An if that doesn't satisfy you can always use a garden fork to dig it up. as soon as the snow melts off in the spring cover the whole thing 8'x4' with sheets of black plastic. Heats the soil and any weed seeds will germinate and die because of no sun light. by last frost date the soil is nice and warm for plants and seeds.
;D Al
-
Because your not walking on the soil it only gets packed from rain fall and snow in the winter. I light dragging of a finger type cultivator thru it loosens it up enough. An if that doesn't satisfy you can always use a garden fork to dig it up. as soon as the snow melts off in the spring covert the whole thing 8'x4' with sheets of black plastic. Heats the soil and any weed seeds will germinate and die because of no sun light. by last frost date the soil is nice and warm for plants and seeds.
;D Al
Good tip there, something I will have to consider.
-
Alley, agree with Perry.....good tip. Since our first raised bed is strawberries, just the light finger cultivation is a good idea. The rest of the garden.......the weeds are winning with all the rain we are getting. I generally like to pull weeds after it rains because they come out easier but unless I want to sit in the rain and pull weeds, they will have to stay put for now. Heck, it gives my back a respite LOL!
-
I think next year I am going to make some depressions in the bed lay down the plastic and just cut a slit in it to put tomato sets in to keep weed out and keep the beds heated maybe put some sort of cover on the black [plastic if and when it gets to hot.
;D Al
-
Alley, I don't like the idea of black plastic for several reasons. One of which is the watering issue. The black plastic will repel the water. The other is that the soil does not get a chance to breathe. Soil is made up of millions of microbes and fungi, they need the sun and air. Also, plastic eventually gets brittle and wears out and it is not biodegradable. Raised beds are always much warmer than in the ground gardens so your really don't need the plastic to warm up the beds. Just my thoughts ;D
-
Was my reason for the depression so rain water would run down thru the plastic. See a lot of comerical growers using it and also a red color.
From http://www.planetnatural.com/tomato-gardening-guru/growing-tomatoes/
Augmenting light or heat: Spreading black plastic over the soil around tomatoes will help the soil absorb and retain heat. It also reduces water evaporation and controls weeds and some insects, specifically those that winter in soil but then need to become airborne to feed or reproduce. (See more on this and other mulching options under mulching, on this site.)
;D Al
-
http://www.gardenguides.com/110017-grow-tomatoes-black-plastic-mulch.html
Overview
Black plastic mulch is a valuable tool for those who wish to grow tomatoes in cooler climates. In areas where the growing season is short, tomato plants often fail to produce fruit. Black plastic mulch raises the soil temperature from 3 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit, giving the plants the heat boost they need to produce fruit all season long. You should avoid using black plastic mulch in hot, humid climates because it will trap too much heat in the soil, killing the tomato plants' roots.
Step 1
Use a hand tiller to loosen the top 6 to 8 inches of soil in the garden bed. Remove and discard any rocks, loose roots and other debris.
Step 2
Sprinkle a layer of garden fertilizer onto the prepared soil. The standard amount of required fertilizer is four pounds for every 100 square feet of garden space. Mix the fertilizer into the soil with the hand tiller. Soak the whole bed with water from a garden hose.
Step 3
Dig two 4- to 6-inch-deep trenches along opposing edges of the garden using a shovel or hoe. Unroll the black plastic mulch slightly, placing about three inches of the end into one of the trenches. Fill that area of the trench up with dirt to anchor the black plastic mulch in the ground.
Step 4
Unroll the sheet of mulch across the length of the garden, stopping at the other trench. Slice the length of mulch from the roll with a sharp knife, leaving about a 3-inch tail on the end. Lay the tail in the trench and cover it with dirt to hold it firmly in place. Repeat this process, slightly overlapping the lengths of plastic mulch, until the entire garden is covered.
Step 5
Cut 6-inch slits in the plastic, spaced two to three feet apart. Reach through each slit with a small spade and dig a hole that's about twice the size and depth as the seedling's root ball. Slide a tomato seedling into each hole and fill the hole with soil.
Step 6
Water the plants lightly each day by sliding the hose underneath the plastic mulch through each seedling slit. Tomato plants grown with plastic mulch will not require intense watering, but they do need a bit of moisture each day. If the soil under the black plastic mulch dries out, it can be very difficult to reinvigorate.
C:-) I would string a soaker hose and leave it all summer under the plastic C:-)
Step 7
Leave the black plastic mulch on the garden bed until after the growing season has ended.
;D Al
-
My Neighbor plants his entire garden through black plastic. Leaves it in place all year, puts a new piece down when necessary.
I envy his knowledge.. he fertilizes/waters and seems to do everything right. His tomatoes are over 5 feet tall every year. corn, cukes etc all grow like wildfire in his garden..
Me on the other hand... I struggle... Rabbits and deer are a primary concern... I planted 40 Grape plants this spring, there are 25 left the rabbits and deer have not yet eaten, and will not eat...
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs12.postimg.cc%2Fz7uptbigp%2Fimages.jpg&hash=9b1884eef562f81cf2e39d36a12339debde95e27) (http://postimg.cc/image/z7uptbigp/)
The Mini 14 is taking a serious toll... I now sit beside the fence line every night, rifle and rum and coke, wave at the neighbors as they go by.. Often they stop and ask me to go to their house next.
Most of my garden this year is in barrels.. 55 gallon barrels cut in half lengthwise, and I used a bunch of scrap wood to make stands.. At this point I am considerably impressed.. I walk up to my barrels, and weed them without ever bending over...... I used 5 gallon buckets to plant tomatoes in, hanging upside down... and then planted cukes in the top of the buckets.. I hung the buckets, and am running the cukes over the top of a hog panel so the cukes themselves hang down.. I walk under and pick them when they are ready.... So far so good... I lost a couple tomatoe plants when the handles ripped out of the cheap 5 gallon buckets... lesson learned, I wired them after that...
-
I'm going to try some next year. Especially tomatoes, I haven't been able to step foot in my garden for over a month due to soaking rains. I'm out of tomatoes and haven't canned any for two years.
-
Well raise beds can/will solve your drainage problem.
Look out farmers market here comes Dunkle
;D Al
-
Too hard to come by to sell, they could never afford them :D
-
Go to buy a couple bushels to hold you over.
;D Al