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Beekeeping => Bee News => Topic started by: Perry on January 03, 2014, 03:37:20 pm
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With the tragic loss of Alexander Shalin, the head of beekeeping for the entire Province of Nova Scotia, and the pending retirement of our Provincial Bee Health Adviser in April/May, it is becoming worrisome as to our future and what shape it make take here. Beekeeping was only one part of Alexander's portfolio, and Nova Scotia has only had a part time Bee Health Adviser (50%).
I wonder if perhaps the Province may look at combining the two and creating a full time (strictly) beekeeping position? There are a couple of excellent candidates that immediately spring to mind that may be interested, but would have never been approached before as it would never make sense for them when the position was only part time.
Our AGM is held in March, and I don't know if that would be a good time to bring it up.
Certainly a dialogue should start asap.
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I once thought... Somebody ought to take action on that.
Then, I realized, I AM SOMEBODY.
Take the hint, Perry.
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It came to my mind before I finished reading your post. I sure think you have the communications skills!
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As SOMEBODY with communication skills, just do it ;)
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I'd vote for Perry!
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No, no, no, no, no!
I hope that I did not mislead anyone with this post. I am in NO WAY qualified. These positions are filled by people with University degrees and such.
Also, at this point in my life, a position like that is not in my sight, not by a long shot! I was flattered to be asked to do inspections on a part time basis, and if asked again by any successor I would certainly be open to it. I have a grade 12 education, and while I have some experience keeping bees, it is basic at best, far less than what is required.
No, I was thinking that perhaps having one position filled by someone on the forefront of research or something like that. Alberta has Medhat Nasser, or maybe Adony Melathopoulos, people with credentials that could perhaps put us out front.
Honey bees were only a part of Alexander's responsibilities, mink farming, crop science (strawberry virus's, etc.) formed a greater part of his work. If he had been able to focus on bees only....Wow!
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How about Provincial Bee Health Adviser? It is part time, and sounds like a great step in learning the ropes for future advancement. As for education, I've met too many educated idiots to ever let that even be considered.
You have 12 years, I finished the 8th grade, dropped out in the ninth. I have been founder and president of a c chapter corp., and an s chapter corp. I have been managing partner in an llp and an llc. Schooling has absolutely NOTHING to do with education.
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How about Provincial Bee Health Adviser? It is part time, and sounds like a great step in learning the ropes for future advancement. As for education, I've met too many educated idiots to ever let that even be considered.
You have 12 years, I finished the 8th grade, dropped out in the ninth. I have been founder and president of a c chapter corp., and an s chapter corp. I have been managing partner in an llp and an llc. Schooling has absolutely NOTHING to do with education.
Well said Iddee!!!
MOST of the highly educated Mechanics the dealership hired when i worked for GM were incredibly book smart, but MOST of them had trouble changing an oil filter. One of them as his first job rotated the tires on a customers car.. put the lug nuts on backwards.. we called him Lugnut until he was finally let go. Degrees are great, IF that intelligence can be put into practice. A lot of VERY VERY smart people I have met somehow lost the ability to combine that vast intelligence with common sense. I'll take hands on experience EVERY day over book learning.
I took the ASE tests, and was a bit worried about them. Turns out they are based well in practicality. I passed them all, the bookworm that rode up to take the tests with me failed all but one of them.
Theres a lot to be said about hands on knowledge. Not trying to talk you into anything Perry, just dont want you to THINK even for a minute that you couldnt organize that mess.
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I agree with Iddee, education does not equal intelligence. I know several people with Masters degrees who can't get dressed in the morning if their mother's not awake.
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My company has a rule that you have to have at least an associate's degree to get into a training program that mostly works with shovels and wrenches. It looks better to the public.
When I was a union rep, I argued endlessly against this rule. Qualified, hard-working people would not be considered for a manual labor type job. It has been my observation that college educated people don't necessarily like to get their hands dirty or blistered.
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"It has been my observation that college educated people don't necessarily like to get their hands dirty or blistered."
i r college edjucated .....errr educated! (lol) :) ........slow come on up my way, and i will show you what dirty and blistered is........ :D
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??? College educated you say Squirt? Did you know the honey bee or Yellow jacket? on your Avatar was up side down. :laugh: Jack
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Hoo boy Jack, you just opened a can.......! :o
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Could there just be a teensy weensy bit of stereotyping going on here! :D
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Just the opposite, crofter. We are saying there are smart ones among the non-schooled, and dumb ones among the schooled. It's the fact that stereotyping doesn't work in this case. You can't tell an individuals intelligence by his level of schooling.
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Strengths differing. IQ is not a very good tool at predicting what a person will be good at. When we were going to school a lot of people dropped out because they did not fit into the one size fits all curriculum. Some people with exceptional IQs have an impossible time with spelling and writing and the assossiated problems with visual mathematics. That would be certain fail by conventional old teaching /testing. Others are strong in visual processing and total duds in auditory processing.
Todays use of computers and calculators and such has levelled the playing field a lot
Getting back to Perry saying he could not handle that job and us voting for him. He has to know himself and what he likes to do and what he does not. I hated record keeping, filing, etc. On several occasions I got myself into a position where that was a big part of the job. Another might be dealing with personnel disputes and customer services. Some people like the challenge and are fulfilled by doing it and others are left exhausted by it and take it to bed with them at the end of the day.
You dont want to miss out on a good opportunity by underselling yourself but you also dont want to get into a situation where you are constantly grasping or grinding your teeth.
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VERY, VERY GOOD POST.
Just realize most people are capable of 150% of what they realize. Don't let lack of self confidence deny you anything you desire. Just go get it.
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"Just realize most people are capable of 150% of what they realize. Don't let lack of self confidence deny you anything you desire. Just go get it."
absolutely, just go get it, and go after that fire burning in your heart and soul, and your desires, college education or not. sometimes there is rejection, but don't quit, or don't let that be a barrier, just keep on trying....
jack, my avatar is upside down? :laugh:
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Two important hings to say here:
First, I wouldn't want the job at this point in my life, even if I was qualified. (I have it too good as it is). ;)
Second, river, I think Jack has been nipping (you know what I mean, probably into the mead) and he's upside down looking at the screen! :laugh:
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Judge not a man by the abundance of possessions, but by his freedom from wants!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyYCClHDrmU (Porter Wagner)
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I met Porter when i was 17 yrs. old, i was carry out for a super market. Porter came through the check line and i put his items in a small bag, surprisingly he ask if i would carry them to his car,i did and he ask if i was still in school, i told him i was and i was on the COE program. He ask what the hourly pay as a carry out got, i said $0.65 an hour, he gave me a $0.75 tip. nice man.One of my wives best friend married his nephew (he was no good) they had two children and divorced. Porters sister still lives in Springfield,Mo. Jack
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"It has been my observation that college educated people don't necessarily like to get their hands dirty or blistered."
i r college edjucated .....errr educated! (lol) :) ........slow come on up my way, and i will show you what dirty and blistered is........ :D
I work for a company that makes big yellow machines and lots of big engines. I work with people on a daily basis with masters and PhD (post hole digger) degrees in engineering but so many are just book smart and if you took their PC and spreadsheets away they couldn't function. I'm usually the one that gets to solve problems that teams other people have worked on and couldn't get it figured out. But, you gotta have a degree to get in the door.
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"It has been my observation that college educated people don't necessarily like to get their hands dirty or blistered."
i r college edjucated .....errr educated! (lol) :) ........slow come on up my way, and i will show you what dirty and blistered is........ :D
I work for a company that makes big yellow machines and lots of big engines. I work with people on a daily basis with masters and PhD (post hole digger) degrees in engineering but so many are just book smart and if you took their PC and spreadsheets away they couldn't function. I'm usually the one that gets to solve problems that teams other people have worked on and couldn't get it figured out. But, you gotta have a degree to get in the door.
Here's a thought about groups and meetings:
(https://worldwidebeekeeping.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdemotivators.despair.com%2Fdemotivational%2Fmeetingsdemotivator.jpg&hash=382a029b7b39376468e5a5888d84ae70214c884f)
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slow come on up my way, and i will show you what dirty and blistered is........ :D
I know that all too well. We burn around 900 tons of coal every day here at work. Lots of black dirt and dust and flyash and shovels, and....well, you get the picture.
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greg, now there's some words of wisdom in the pic you posted...... :D
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I thought you worked at a nuclear power plant. ???
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I thought you worked at a nuclear power plant. ???
I worked at a nuclear plant from 1980 - 1995. I have worked here at a coal plant since 2001. (in between I was a victim of downsizing and in that time I owned a night club for a while and drove a truck over-the-road for 3 years).
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A college diploma is nothing more than a piece of paper to hang on the wall proving you are capable of finishing something you started. Experience is what builds resumes without experience a diploma is nothing more than a piece of paper. I got one hanging on my wall. In the last 25 of 30 years of interviews and changing jobs in the machining industry I have never had an interview based around my diploma or college education other than asking where I went to school, However, every interview focused on my experience and what I have done after getting the diploma. I would venture to guess 80 percent of those with college educations are not working in the field they obtained a degree in. Which leads to why you see college graduates complaining they are working at McDonald
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A college diploma is nothing more than a piece of paper to hang on the wall proving you are capable of finishing something you started. Experience is what builds resumes without experience a diploma is nothing more than a piece of paper. I got one hanging on my wall. In the last 25 of 30 years of interviews and changing jobs in the machining industry I have never had an interview based around my diploma or college education other than asking where I went to school, However, every interview focused on my experience and what I have done after getting the diploma. I would venture to guess 80 percent of those with college educations are not working in the field they obtained a degree in. Which leads to why you see college graduates complaining they are working at McDonald
I heard an interview on the radio news on the way to work this evening about the December job numbers released today. They were talking to a woman that had been looking for a job in her field she got a degree in. She said there's not much work available for someone with an English major. Hmmmm. Am I missing something here? Do guidance councilers and such not tell people going into college that there are majors where you can make a living, and there are majors that are nice to have but not many folks make a living with? ???
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I think another unfortunate reality is that what the next generations are looking for in work has little to do with what is based in reality. With all the hi tech being offered, computer this, digital that (with the exception of this forum of course ;)), everyone appears to be trying to get that high paying job where you don't actually have to get dirty.
And thinking about it, I guess that's normal. :)
The problems result when there is a saturation of the workforce in that area. Meanwhile, who is going to fix my car, leaky toilet, snow-blower, grow food, etc.? Small engine mechanics and appliance repair folks are as rare as young beekeepers. All the stuff they build today is throw away based.
What I am seeing however, is a very small back to the land based movement where young couples are doing what many of us thought about back in the 60's and 70's. Many of the vendors at the Farm Markets are young folks trying to eek out a living doing it "their way", and it's tough for them!
We have our son's education set up where he will not have to incur heavy debt should he decide to pursue post secondary (University) education, but if he decides that going to a good trade school is what will make him happy, I'm all for it. Those are the folks that won't have to look for work.