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Title: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 07, 2014, 12:09:11 am

Now that I know what a nuc is.... What is a medium?  8)

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Slowmodem on January 07, 2014, 12:19:48 am

Quote from: jaybird on January 07, 2014, 12:09:11 am

Now that I know what a nuc is.... What is a medium?  8)

Hive boxes come in three sizes (more or less) deep, medium and shallow.  Deep is tall, medium is medium, and shallow is short.  A rule of thumb is two deeps equals three mediums or four shallows.

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Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Moots on January 07, 2014, 12:35:59 am

jaybird,
Since Slowmodem handled that one rather quickly....Let me try and anticipate your next question. 

Traditionally, each of these three sizes are made to hold 10 frames. However, a new trend that some have gone to is using boxes made to hold 8 frames instead of 10.  This gives you a little more weight savings for lifting and "some" believe that the narrower width doesn't require as much encouragement to get the bees to draw out the end frames.

To further confuse the issue...Some people will shave down their frames to fit an extra in the brood box, while using one less in the honey supers to get thicker, easier to uncap in their opinion, comb.

So, someone using traditional 10 frame boxes might have 11 frames in the Brood boxes and 9 in the Honey supers.  While someone using 8's might run 9 frames and 7 respectfully.

Currently, I use 8 frame mediums for everything, brood and honey supers, and actually use 8 frames in each.  :)

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Perry on January 07, 2014, 06:26:33 am

Excellent replies.  :goodjob:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: G3farms on January 07, 2014, 07:26:40 am

To me this is where a couple of bee supply catalogs come in real handy.

Not only listing the sizes of the boxes but also the frames and foundations that can be used in them.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 07, 2014, 08:12:50 am

And to add to the confusion, a medium is also called an Illinois super, and a western super. Three names for the same box. It is 6 5/8 inch high.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 08, 2014, 12:25:23 am

Scrambled eggs in my head. But I'll get it. I'm interested in the mediums I think. I have one hive two deeps high. And Hubby just barely got the top honey super off and on the ground this last fall. I thought we were going to have a calamity. Didn't anticipate it being that heavy.

Thanks everyone, for the nice thread!

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Perry on January 08, 2014, 06:15:11 am

Full deep of honey = close to 90 lbs.
Full medium = 70 pounds

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: tecumseh on January 08, 2014, 06:54:23 am

it is thread like this one that make you somewhat understand why a beekeeper dictionary often confuses anyone not immersed in this addiction.  I know I see lots of folks who show up for our bee school shaking their heads in the beginner class and appearing quite dazed by it all.

to add a bit more detail...
well actually Moot there is nothing really new about 8 frame equipment and this was (way back when ever???) commonly used in a pollination setting <the slightly thinner profile meant you could configure one more stack on the width of a standard truck bed and the slightly smaller dimension meant the individual boxes were a bit easier to toss around < this is of course way back when everything was loaded on truck by hand and it took quite a bit of effort to toss that last hive up to the height of the trucks head board.  this was of course in 'the good old days' of beekeeping... well maybe not so much!

then there were jumbos which were 12 frames an these looked (not certain if the overall dimensions were exactly the same) quite a bit like what are called national boxes in Europe.  saw and used a few of these perhaps 30+ years ago and basically once they were made up as nucs and you installed a queen even thinking about movin' one of those bad boys would hurt your back.   

   

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Moots on January 08, 2014, 09:33:31 am

tec,
Very interesting....I did not know that bit of history on the use of 8 frames.  I guess, right or wrong, what I was really trying to say is that the "trend" is somewhat new and that the use of 8 frames is becoming more mainstream amongst newbie beekeepers, such as myself.

No doubt, all the terminology and information is enough to make any newbie's head spin!  I know mine has at times... :)

Beekeeping is one of those hobbies that the more you learn, the more you realize how much you really don't know.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: mamapoppybee on January 08, 2014, 10:04:01 am

when i started seeing all the different suppers it was a bit confussing but looked at afew pages of mann lakes catalog and figured out what they were for. I like that there is always something new to learn a motivated brane is a strong one! Im also going with 8 frames not sure how into helping with the bees the hubby will be. So my being able to work it with out killing my self is important.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 08, 2014, 03:10:13 pm

I'm with ya mama, hubby helps me a lot, but he is often gone working or taking care of his dad. So, I want to be able to handle any situation if I need to. This spring, I'll be splitting my one and only hive, so I think I'll go with:

a medium 8 frame brood box, and a shallow honey super....

or two medium brood boxes, and then shallow honey supers....

or, maybe one deep brood box and shallow honey supers....

or...................... ???
 

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: kebee on January 08, 2014, 03:38:10 pm

I went with 2 deeps for brood boxes and putting a queen excluder on when a flow begins and medium boxes on top. Only check the deeps once a year, usually in the spring and let them rip and do their thing, don't like messing with the bees to much.

Ken

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 08, 2014, 04:22:51 pm

Perry quoted:

 a deep of honey can be 90 lbs
 a medium of honey can be 70 lbs

I wonder how much a deep with just brood weighs? If I could get it off and set it down with ease...

and how much would a shallow of honey weigh?

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: riverbee on January 08, 2014, 04:59:10 pm

"I went with 2 deeps for brood boxes and putting a queen excluder on when a flow begins and medium boxes on top. Only check the deeps once a year, usually in the spring and let them rip and do their thing, don't like messing with the bees to much."

lol, i like ken's no nonsense approach to keeping bees, especially the "rip and do their thing"....... :D
sorta been doing a little of that myself for the past year, and really it's amazing that the bees can sustain themselves for a certain period of time with minimal intervention.

ok jen if i missed this my apologies, why did you decide to use shallow supers?

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 08, 2014, 05:53:42 pm

""and really it's amazing that the bees can sustain themselves for a certain period of time with minimal intervention.""

A certain period of time?? You mean like tens of thousands of years??  ;D :D :D

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Slowmodem on January 08, 2014, 06:29:59 pm

Quote from: iddee on January 08, 2014, 05:53:42 pm

A certain period of time?? You mean like tens of thousands of years??  ;D :D :D

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Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 08, 2014, 10:46:11 pm

riv- both mama and I were talking about being able to manage our hives by ourselves. My guy helps a lot but he's gone a lot as well with work and caretaking his dad.

I'm going to split my one and only hive this spring. I need a set up where I can lift the supers myself. Me and my lower back lifting a 90 lb honey super off of a deep brood box just isn't going to happen.

If you go back about 3 posts, I'm comparing poundage.

What does a full deep brood box weigh?

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: riverbee on January 08, 2014, 11:52:55 pm

well, you guys know what i meant for the 'certain period of time' thing.......LOL. my bees in boxes haven't been pestered for well over a year by me, with little management and they are or seem to be doing okay as far as i can tell from a distance but some look like they need some requeening......lol  can't imagine trying to separate those boxes when the time comes.....i will just call on you guys to come and pry them apart.... :D

jen, medium supers, average weight, maybe 60-65 pounds.....perry said the max at 70 lbs, when full of honey. true they can be.  deep broods, yeah they are a stinker to lift off. weight? the older i get the harder it is for me too, i am not as strong as i used to be. i don't mess around too much anymore moving these around except when necessary.  i just meant why would you choose a shallow super vs a medium super?  if you are concerned about the weight in lifting a honey super off, then get an extra box, and divide the frames up between the two boxes....so, taking a super off.....get an extra box, put some frames in the extra box, so that the box on the hive is not so heavy to lift off.  just take frames out to lighten the load between two boxes so you are not killing your back.

divides.....well, lifting the deeps is another story. so your choice to go with a combination of a deep/ mediums i get.  i wouldn't use shallows though.  just my ho.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 01:03:19 am

riv- Duh.. why didn't I think of that... snark

Okay so, a deep for brood, and a medium for winter stores?

Or a deep for brood, and a another deep for winter store?

then additional stacked mediums for honey For Me?

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Perry on January 09, 2014, 06:16:03 am

Quote from: jaybird on January 09, 2014, 01:03:19 am

riv- Duh.. why didn't I think of that... snark

Okay so, a deep for brood, and a medium for winter stores?

Or a deep for brood, and a another deep for winter store?

then additional stacked mediums for honey For Me?

 :yes: :yes: :yes:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Moots on January 09, 2014, 06:48:41 am

Quote from: jaybird on January 09, 2014, 01:03:19 am

riv- Duh.. why didn't I think of that... snark

Okay so, a deep for brood, and a medium for winter stores?

Or a deep for brood, and a another deep for winter store?

then additional stacked mediums for honey For Me?

OR....

All 8 frame mediums for everything.  This will lower the weight of your honey Supers down to a more manageable weight of probably 50 pounds. It'll also give you a standard frame size' allowing you to freely move frames between brood boxes and honey supers, and vice versa, without problem.

That's the beauty and confusion of beekeeping...lots and lots of options, and opinions as far as which of those options are best.  :laugh:

Most all of them have pluses and minuses, just have to figure out which will work best for you and your situation.   :)

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: mamapoppybee on January 09, 2014, 07:58:11 am

sorry jaybird if i some how confused you. Im only using deeps and meds for our hive as these are 8 frames they will be lighter.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Slowmodem on January 09, 2014, 08:57:27 am

Some people like to swap or reverse their boxes in the spring, so the bees in the top are then on the bottom and work up.  If you have a deep and a medium coming out of winter, you can still swap, but it won't be as easy as it would if you had two deeps or two mediums.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 09:23:30 am

Havent said much on the subject so far, just been watching and reading..
   With only a couple of hives, I would say that you can use which ever combination you think would work well. You wont ever be flooded with hundreds of supers stacked in the shed, extra boxes here and there and other equipment all over the place, so your choice is a little bit more "free".
 
   I use ALL medium ten frame equipment. Moots uses all medium eight frame equipment..  I am going to have to go with MOOTS on this one..   Standardize, and use the eight frame boxes. You will be able to throw those about for years to come. The OPTIONS using standardized boxes is really nice.
   Three mediums = two deeps in height. It means an extra box, but that extra box is much easier to MOVE by yourself..   Now I realize that.. your... what? twenty five???  Judging by the picture???   But in 25 more years you'll be 50, if you still have those hives your BACK will thank you for going with the lighter boxes.

   When you harvest your honey. Always take a few frames of honey and pop it into your freezer instead of extracting. Mark these frames so you know which ones they are. In the fall as you get ready for winter you can thaw them, and drop them into your hives in the event Mother Nature didnt give you a decent fall flow. Mark them so you can replace them in spring before treatments to keep your honey/wax clean when you treat. (IF)
   One size frame, one size box for all your hives...
     Now...  spring has sprung, you look out your window, cup of coffee in your hand, and SEE BEES everywhere!!!  One of your hives is swarming!!!  OMG!!!!  Now what???
   Well, the easiest answer is to grab one of last years honey supers, set it on a board and shake the swarm into it. Put another board on top, prop one end of the box up slightly to make an entrance. Scrap pieces of lumber placed around the edges can reduce the entrance until you can get a bottom board and inner/tele cover.
  You have another hive..

   If you dont want more hives, it can be given to the neighbors son, or daughter, or even SOLD very easily.

   I'm sure you know that every method has advantages and disadvantages that can be argued constantly.  I like my boxes all being the same.. I do still have a couple hives with deeps on them, and its something I have to force myself to remember when taking frames to have drawn. Its caused me to make more than one trip on more than one occasion.

   SlowModem has a good point too..  with three mediums, it allows me to pull the bottom box, set the two boxes on the bottom board, cut the wax out of the top box and put it back on top for the ladies to draw with new clean wax. Not exactly reversing since you left them with two boxes, but it puts your wax on a three year schedule and helps keep it new and clean/clear of pesticides/treatment contamination..  even if you dont treat, the ladies will bring home some bad stuff on occasion.

   You wont go wrong whatever you choose to use. Just think about YOU and what will be advantageous for YOU!

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Crofter on January 09, 2014, 10:26:44 am

Some good thinking in there Lazybkpr;   I am getting close to the crunch on being able to handle 10 frame deeps or even mediums. In hindsight I would go with 8 frame mediums for everything.

I hear what Perry is saying about some people using all one size frames as a convenient way of neglecting to segregate treated frames from honey croppers. In my case I don't expect be using any of the bioaccumulating synthetic pesticides so that is not an imposing issue.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 12:36:18 pm

Good read here. But I'm gonna have to get my breakfast and a cup of jo in front of me to read Lazy's novel. BRB

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 09, 2014, 12:50:40 pm

Someone PLEASE explain why a deep full of honey is looked at as a 95 lb. weight. I see it as 10 9 lb. weights and a 5 lb. box. If you have 4 full supers to harvest, you don't lift the 4 boxes and walk away. Why would you break your back lifting 10 full deep frames of honey all at once? I just do not understand.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 01:05:25 pm

   I only know, being the lazy fellow I am, grabbing the medium and setting it on the truck is quicker..   If you have two or three hives its no problem pulling frames and dropping them into an empty box, but when your pulling 20 boxes the amount of time adds up compared to just pulling the supers at the end of the flow.   Make sense????   no... not to me either....

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 01:23:14 pm

We're talking about it just to annoy you Iddee, you're so cute when your annoyed  :laugh:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 09, 2014, 01:44:45 pm

So, lazy, if you have 2 mediums full of honey, 120 lbs., you carry them both to the truck because it is quicker?
But you don't want to carry 1 deep full because it is too heavy. Please explain to this dumb hillbilly. He's just not quite catching it.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Slowmodem on January 09, 2014, 02:09:35 pm

Quote from: iddee on January 09, 2014, 01:44:45 pm

So, lazy, if you have 2 mediums full of honey, 120 lbs., you carry them both to the truck because it is quicker?
But you don't want to carry 1 deep full because it is too heavy. Please explain to this dumb hillbilly. He's just not quite catching it.

He's too lazy to make two trips!   :laugh:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 02:46:02 pm

LOL, nope, I pick them up, set them on the cart, the 4 wheeler or the tailgate, whichever is closest. put hive together, go to next, set the super on the cart, wheeler etc...
  btw..   in my last post,  the statement I made,   "no... not to me either.... " was meant to be serious not sarcastic!!!

   Removing the frames, shaking them off, and setting them into another box IS easier on the back! No debate there...       I have all my hives where I can get to them easily. I dont have to carry a super more than a few steps in any circumstance, so  pulling them frame by frame, is lighter, but not as fast.  I can still carry deeps, just isnt all that fun in a bee suit when its hot. Carrying the mediums is a wee bit less not so fun. Carrying Medium 8 frame supers would be even MORE less not so fun...    but, you also have to use escapes, bee go or the equivalent to get those supers free of bees, or your doing them one frame at a time to shake the bees off anyhow...   So, if you take six of these, and trade them for half a dozen of those, you still get the same amount when your done!!!      ???

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 09, 2014, 02:53:47 pm

I still don't see how getting the bees off 20 frames and moving 20 frames to the truck is quicker or easier than doing the same with 10 frames. I think someone is living the placebo effect.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 03:20:03 pm

Lzy- re: Reply #24

Good advice, and understandable. Printed it off for my files.

And, if you think I'm 25.. well, you just go on thinkin that!  ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Moots on January 09, 2014, 03:23:55 pm

Quote from: iddee on January 09, 2014, 02:53:47 pm

I still don't see how getting the bees off 20 frames and moving 20 frames to the truck is quicker or easier than doing the same with 10 frames. I think someone is living the placebo effect.

iddee,
LOL!  I know from past discussions that we see this issue differently....and there's nothing wrong with that!  :)

That's why they make Chocolate, Vanilla, and Strawberry Ice Cream....and why everybody doesn't drive the same vehicle. 

As they say, variety is the spice of life!  ;D

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 04:00:11 pm

Quote from: iddee on January 09, 2014, 02:53:47 pm

I still don't see how getting the bees off 20 frames and moving 20 frames to the truck is quicker or easier than doing the same with 10 frames. I think someone is living the placebo effect.

   Maybe I am misunderstanding?    In fifteen years, I probably wont be lifting 100 lb supers, but handling a 60 lb super I hope to be able to do. I can carry two 60 - 65 lb supers four steps. Probably cant do that with 1 100 lb super.
   OR, Pulling one deep frame, carrying it the four steps to the truck, put it in the empty box, walking back, getting the next frame, walking to the truck, rinse, repeat? Ten trips to the truck as opposed to two 65 LB trips? One way or another your going to have to lift that 100 LB super... 
   Put all the frames into another box, it still has to get to the truck, or off the cart into the truck, unless your going to move the frames several different times?
    Not trying to be a pain, but I am fairly good at it according to my wife..    Please explain Iddee?  Certainly interested if theres an easier way!

   Placebo effect....?
Had to look that up...
   The placebo effect happens when you decide a therapy will make you better and your belief makes it so.
  Ahhhh!    Hey!!   I'm in!    ;D
   

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 04:24:30 pm

Good Lord Amighty! ~ Remind me to only have two hives! Three max

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 04:25:58 pm

LOL
  Can let it go, just a bit confused..    :-[

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Perry on January 09, 2014, 04:38:12 pm

Quote from: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 04:25:58 pm

LOL
  Can let it go, just a bit confused..    :-[

Here, I'll move over. By the way, welcome to my world.  :D

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 04:39:38 pm

LOL
  Can let it go, just a bit confused.. 


?????? Please explain. I'm always confused

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: riverbee on January 09, 2014, 05:04:52 pm

this is the way i do it....lol, a lot like lazy, use a cart, and the cart gets wheeled over to the bed of the truck. with that said, when i have 30 supers to take off, i get help.  :D

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 05:11:31 pm

Nicely put riv ~

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 09, 2014, 05:20:47 pm

Let's see now. You can lift 2 supers, weighing 120 to 130 lbs. , but cannot lift one deep super weighing 90 to 95 lb.Yep, you sure lost me on that one. Then, you seem to say you remove the bees from the deeps, but not from the mediums. You just pick up the 2 mediums and go, bees and all. Wow, you have a strange way of beekeeping.

To each his own, I reckon.

Moots, that's why I but van-choc-straw, AKA neopolitan. I like them all.All size boxes, too.   :laugh:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Perry on January 09, 2014, 05:39:41 pm

Anyone that can lift 2 mediums full of honey (ah, there was a time) can do whatever he wants in my book!  :laugh:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 06:39:56 pm

Hear Hear Perry!  ;)

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 08:21:27 pm

Quote from: iddee on January 09, 2014, 05:20:47 pm

Let's see now. You can lift 2 supers, weighing 120 to 130 lbs. , but cannot lift one deep super weighing 90 to 95 lb.Yep, you sure lost me on that one. Then, you seem to say you remove the bees from the deeps, but not from the mediums. You just pick up the 2 mediums and go, bees and all. Wow, you have a strange way of beekeeping.

To each his own, I reckon.

  This isnt about me lifting TWO supers at the same time. This is about planning for when I cant. In fact we were talking about someone who CANT lift that much to begin with..
   Not sure what I did to make you upset, that wasnt the intent of anything I have said. I apologize, even though I am yet unclear what has happened.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 09, 2014, 09:49:24 pm

This is getting comical!

OOOOOOOOOM

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 09:51:20 pm

LOL..   {Hides behind Perry}     HUSH Jen!

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 09, 2014, 09:55:46 pm

Lazy, I thought you knew me better than that by now. I'm having a ball and laughing my butt off. This argument is older than tec and jack. It's fun, fun, fun.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 09, 2014, 09:59:22 pm

    Lesson learned...  now to go back and figure out who the accomplices were    >:(             ;D

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: riverbee on January 09, 2014, 11:34:33 pm

lazy, i'm an accomplice....

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: apisbees on January 10, 2014, 04:31:23 am

The weight of the super is only 1/2 the issue, you get a full super of honey the supers are propolized together the bees have built bur comb in between the supers. You try to split the supers and the frames from the super below that are stuck to the frames of the super you are removing. You try to hold up the super end with your finger in the hand hold and pry the frames from the super below down and off the frames above.
The next thing to keep in mind is that not all supers are going to be at waist height some will need to be picked up from the ground to removing supers at head level of higher.
This is pulling honey off of a 2 queen and double brood chamber hives. at 6:50 you can get an indication of the weight and at 2:15 the holding power of propolis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNNbjvmHDLw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNNbjvmHDLw)

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 10, 2014, 05:24:12 am

Deeps or mediums?

Queen excluders or no queen excluders?

Hard chemical treatments or no HCT?

Some things in beekeeping will never have a consensus.

We all have our ways and they all work, sometimes, and not sometimes.

The main thing is we have fun and enjoy what we do, while maintaining the bees the best we can. Sorry if I upset a few. Didn't mean, too. Thought I was keeping it light hearted, but I guess the printed word doesn't always show the true tone of a conversation.

 

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Moots on January 10, 2014, 06:49:48 am

Quote from: iddee on January 10, 2014, 05:24:12 am

Some things in beekeeping will never have a consensus.

I "thought" this was the point I made over 2 pages back...  ;D

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 10, 2014, 09:09:52 am

Quote from: iddee on January 10, 2014, 05:24:12 am

Deeps or mediums?

Queen excluders or no queen excluders?

Hard chemical treatments or no HCT?

Some things in beekeeping will never have a consensus.

We all have our ways and they all work, sometimes, and not sometimes.

The main thing is we have fun and enjoy what we do, while maintaining the bees the best we can. Sorry if I upset a few. Didn't mean, too. Thought I was keeping it light hearted, but I guess the printed word doesn't always show the true tone of a conversation.

   I was in no way upset Iddee, I was extremely confused, which, I believe is what your point was..  I even talked a bit with Perry, and he NEVER gave you away.. he and I.. were gonna have a chat about that one of these days!!!  And there's Jen egging BOTH of you on!!
   names taken   :yes:  and set aside. What goes around comes around.   I'm patient.    now I just need my evil smiley back!!   ;D

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Riverrat on January 10, 2014, 10:25:30 am

so whats best mediums or deeps :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: rodmaker on January 10, 2014, 10:37:18 am

      I have had four major back surgeries and i use one deep for brood chamber and then mediums . I use a cart and have to move frames not boxes i keep extra boxes and frames so i don't have to lift more then ten pounds at a time. Point being we all enjoy the hobby and must find our own way of working with the bees and all the different opinions help us to find a way to keep doing what we love to do.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: iddee on January 10, 2014, 02:12:09 pm

"so whats best mediums or deeps" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

7 1/2 inch boxes throughout.  :P :P :P

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Jen on January 10, 2014, 02:50:59 pm

Awe Lazy, you should told me to mind my p's and q's. Still scratching my head over all of this.

sent you a pm this morning. Or, at least I think I did, it vanished so it could have gotten deleted by accident.

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Crofter on January 10, 2014, 03:00:20 pm

Quote from: iddee on January 10, 2014, 02:12:09 pm

"so whats best mediums or deeps" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

7 1/2 inch boxes throughout.  :P :P :P

8 frame or 10 frame or 9 shaved frames in an 8 frame box? :D

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: LazyBkpr on January 10, 2014, 03:56:41 pm

Quote from: Crofter on January 10, 2014, 03:00:20 pm

Quote from: iddee on January 10, 2014, 02:12:09 pm

"so whats best mediums or deeps" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

7 1/2 inch boxes throughout.  :P :P :P

8 frame or 10 frame or 9 shaved frames in an 8 frame box? :D

   Or 7 frames in an 8 frame super?

Title: Re: Mediums
Post by: Crofter on January 10, 2014, 04:04:24 pm

C'mon you guys, I got to make a decision! This is just like Toronto city council or the Canadian Senate!