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Beekeeping => Beekeeping 101 => Topic started by: Jen on March 23, 2016, 01:52:19 pm

Title: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Jen on March 23, 2016, 01:52:19 pm
I've seen this happen a couple years ago and can't remember what the answer was. The girls are dragging out larvae and pupae, quite a bit of it. There is more on the ground and grass.

Is this drone pupae?

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Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Perry on March 23, 2016, 02:13:32 pm
Looks like drone pupae to me. They either don't need them or they may have DWV and the bees got rid of them.
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: apisbees on March 23, 2016, 02:28:06 pm
Could also bee chilled larva that the bees could not keep warm last week when it was colder
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: tbonekel on March 23, 2016, 02:45:37 pm
Remember that it is one way that bees can and will deal with the mite problem on their own. There is something wrong and they are taking care of it.
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Mikey N.C. on March 23, 2016, 02:50:24 pm
Jen,
I'm not experienced enough so don't know, my question is what's the bamboo looking stick.
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: apisbees on March 23, 2016, 03:00:28 pm
This is her 2nd to 3rd round of brood Mite load bee larva death general happens on the first round of brood. In previous posts Jen was concerned about the cold weather that was on its way and whether she should pull the syrup and put sugar cakes back on. I would contribute this to the bees not being able to keep the expanded brood nest warm. Now it has warmed up so the bees can get to cleaning out any brood that died of exposure to the cold.
As Tbonekel pointed out mite load will cause larva death and the bees will be haulling the dead larva out. along with pesticide damage.
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: apisbees on March 23, 2016, 03:15:30 pm
What Perry said about drones. The near formed ready to emerge have large drone eyes Could be a ground hog type of scenario. with the cool weather the bees though winters not over we don't need to be feeding these boys yet. Or could be just where they were located on the edge of the cluster.
The only 100% sure way to know is to go in and take a look. Even then it may not be totally obvious. but would tell if it is random through the cluster or from an exposed side. The different between chilled brood, drone culling, and pests, pesticides, and disease.
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Jen on March 23, 2016, 03:35:02 pm
I'm still reading, but to Mikey, I build little Asian temples and gardens inside the hives for blessings.

Nah! I'm being a smarty pants    ;) :D

I have a feeder box on top for syrup, then I put straw around the feeder jar to absord the excess moister that drips from the underside of the lid, when I change out the syrup jar, some pieces of straw inevitably drop thru the feeder hole. Bees are cleaning house  :) So Much Mold This Year!
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Mikey N.C. on March 23, 2016, 05:11:04 pm
I see I see said the blind man,that's a piece of straw from your, moisture box at the top, I'd read post about sweating problem, y'all have,an straw helps in absorbing :yes:
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Mikey N.C. on March 23, 2016, 05:22:11 pm
Jen,
Is the Miller's type feeder (top) not an option ? Or will moisture still be a problem ?
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Mikey N.C. on March 23, 2016, 05:32:52 pm
Sorry not trying to hijack post :no:
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: apisbees on March 23, 2016, 05:35:13 pm
I used shavings for a couple of years but went to dry insulation In my location that is similar to what Jen is in. The intense cold snaps do not last that long so rather than absorb the moisture and trap it in the hive, I just make sure that they can expel the moisture through use of ridged insulation and inner cover ventilation.
The mention of straw and shavings were used for a 100 years before ridged foam was invented and beekeepers started to use it.
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Mikey N.C. on March 23, 2016, 05:58:00 pm
Is it the swing of temps. In that region, and if ya don't mind, how far from ,sea ?
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: apisbees on March 23, 2016, 07:02:37 pm
What happens is it gets cold for a week or 2 temp 0 to 24 deg F. with out insulation the moisture in the hive that the bees produce form Hoar frost on the sides and hive tops. then we will get a warm weather front  of the pacific or from the south and the temps rise to 40 deg in the day dropping to 25 deg F. at night The Hoar frost melts during the warm day, dripping down onto the bee cluster and the bees don't have time to deal with this moisture before the cold temperatures during the night freezes this moisture on the bees.
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: Jen on March 23, 2016, 07:37:37 pm
Mikey - "Is the Miller's type feeder (top) not an option ? Or will moisture still be a problem ?

   Hmm, not sure what a Miller's type feeder is? My feeders are a 1 gallon bucket placed over the hole on the inner cover. Then I put a empty hive body on which encapsulates the syrup bucket, then the lid.

http://www.amazon.com/GreenBeehives-ic-Beehive-Inner-Cover/dp/B0093OWREQ
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: iddee on March 23, 2016, 07:53:14 pm
Miller type hive top feeder.

https://beezneedz.com/product/fdr-chtf-10/
Title: Re: Why Are The Girls Dragging Out Larvae and Pupae?
Post by: CBT on March 23, 2016, 07:58:55 pm
Miller feeder