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General Discussion => Any and Every Thing => Topic started by: Jen on December 22, 2016, 06:08:52 pm
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I have the chance to get a Great Dane puppy, female, 9 months, so she's already a good size dog. That is exactly what I want. However, she is deaf. Does anyone know how to train a deaf dog? and/or where can I go to get info on training a deaf puppy?
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Riverrat would be the expert on Danes, but as far as deaf dogs, there are plenty of them out there so I don't imagine getting info will be too hard.
Half the time I think Penny is deaf cause she doesn't hear a thing I say. ;D
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That's a tough one. I've never had one that couldn't hear when young, only when they get old. I've had good luck with electronic collars. I don't think you'll need electric shock but vibrations would be one way to train the dog. Get one that has as many vibration modes as possible. Just train as normal but use unique modes and combinations as training cues. 1 buzz to come, 2 rapid buzzes to sit, etc. It will work but keep it charged so you always have a collar on her and can stop her from going somewhere she shouldn't go (like a highway). It will be a challenge but it can be done. My biggest fear would be when she gets beyond the range of the transmitter and you have no way to communicate. Keep her on a lead until she is well trained AND hang on, they're big dogs! Good luck. This may be a tough undertaking.
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Jen, talk to rat a lot before getting a Dane. There are a few things about them you wouldn't expect from other dogs.
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Jen, talk to rat a lot before getting a Dane. There are a few things about them you wouldn't expect from other dogs.
Like you need extra large plastic bags when going for a walk. ;D
Don't feel alone about keeping dogs on a lead at all times. Most greyhound owners have to do that with their dogs because once a greyhound sees something and their prey drive kicks in, the ears are turned off an you can scream till you're blue in the face and they won't hear you.
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Thanks you guys. My mom raised 2 danes, so I do know somewhat about them. And, I'm waiting for replies from two dog trainers in our area here, to help me know how to proceed with a special needs pet.
Riverrat is the first one I contacted on the forum today. He was very positive about it. I'll be talking to him more for sure.
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We were baby sitting a Dane for a week many years ago. We also had a 6 week old Cocker Spaniel the size of a beer can. The pup kept raising up on her hind legs and nipping at the Dane's lip. Finally, the Dane had had enough, so she opened her mouth and put it down on the pup until her nose and lower lip touched the carpet. She didn't close her mouth, but the pup was covered from neck to hip, and couldn't move.
When the Dane let her up, she went to the other room at the speed of light and never bothered the Dane again.
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Perry, I remember you telling us about the characters of grey hounds, sure makes sense. The same with hounds too, so hard to train them to the leash because once their noses get to the ground, they don't hear anymore.
Iddee, that is so funny! Amazing that dane didn't just swallow that little beer snack LOL
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Perry, I remember you telling us about the characters of grey hounds, sure makes sense. The same with hounds too, so hard to train them to the leash because once their noses get to the ground, they don't hear anymore.
Iddee, that is so funny! Amazing that dane didn't just swallow that little beer snack LOL
the great dane breed was actually bred in germany from crossing greyhounds with irish wolf hounds to hunt wild boar. There temperament was bred out of them in later years. You can see the greyhound in them when they run. and Just like a greyhound when they descide to tke after something its over the listening unit goes blank. This is why you rarely see a dane off a lead. We have had 4 danes and all 4 was never able to be outside the fence without a lead after they was about 4 months old. Like Iddee mentioned they have a way with smaller dogs letting them know they have had enough we got theo a play mate that is a cross between a lab and Australian Sheppard hes about 4 months old and is theos best 4 legged friend. The wife just panics when theo puts the pups whole head in his mouth but he never bites down and the pup thinks its fun play. Gentle giants they are
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We have Dane/Lab cross rescue that is one of the sweetest loving dogs ever. Eats as much as three of my hound dogs. Never met a stranger. He always entertains us with his goofy bumbling ways.
Honestly I can't offer any advice on training a hearing impaired dog as voice commands are pretty much key to my training but I always incorporate hand signals with the command for times when I can't or don't want to speak.
It will be a challenge but I am sure you are up to it! :)
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Iddee, that Dane sounds like a great dog.
I knew someone who said his Dane stopped him from suicide. The dog knew he was going to do himself harm. The Dane planted himself on the man's chest and refused to move . A few hours later, he finally realized he had made the wrong decision, and the dog released him.
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Wman, that is the most tender story ever.
It could be a challenge with my existing dog, Katy, she is lab chesapeke mix, 14 years old. She's sweet and docile, but she's been the only dog for years.
We will have to do a meet and greet first to see if the 2 females will get along.
She's just gorgeous!
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The only real draw back that I can see with bringing this dane home, is that she and my dog are both females, my Katy is 14 years old as well.
How many of you have had luck with bringing a female into your house with an already existing female?
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Copper
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Penny
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Together
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It helps when one is younger, and in your case one is a pup so there shouldn't be an issue with pecking order. The incumbent will set the law down.
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Oh I love that!!
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I have nothing to offer about training a dog, hearing or not. I have noticed that my neighbors train their dogs in German. I said something once and she said that was so the dogs would ignore all commands but theirs. So, if you teach the dog sign commands chances are it will ignore everyone but your family.
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The only real draw back that I can see with bringing this dane home, is that she and my dog are both females, my Katy is 14 years old as well.
How many of you have had luck with bringing a female into your house with an already existing female?
Think you will find they get along great and if the older dog is trained it will help in training the younger dane.
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That's the way I'm swinging too Rrat, I sure hope so ~
Baker, I like the way you think :) And I already have a trainer lined up, and she knows how to train for deaf dogs. This is going to be a nice winter project for me ;)
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Be prepared danes are smart and look for ways to beat you in the game. ;D
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Rrat, I love that danes are smart and quirky :) ...kinda like me...
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Rrat, here is another pic of her. I've been reading the links you sent, all the merle gene stuff has bees in my head.
So is this dane a harlequin, or is she a white, or....? She is the one standing
I can definitely see that she and her brother are hungry
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They are Piebald the white hair is clear with no pigment black has pigment the white amd grey you are seeing is skin pigment or color under the hair. As she gets older you will see more and more spots on her skin through the hair
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Okay, thanks Rrat, I did get it then :)
Also, because they are short hair dogs, and their skin is pink, does that mean she will be sensitive to sun exposure?
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Okay, thanks Rrat, I did get it then :)
Also, because they are short hair dogs, and their skin is pink, does that mean she will be sensitive to sun exposure?
We havent had any issues with sensitivity from sun
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Good to know, Thanks. The owner of the dogs has told me a bit of history of this sister and her brother. Seems they weren't being taken care of by the previous owners. I can see that in that the ribs are showing on the brother. The present owner bought them and is trying to get them back to health. She's having trouble with separating the brother and sister, wants them to stay together.
If I had a larger house, and a bit more land, I would take both. The brother is not hearing or vision impaired so she's asking $1000 for him, but is giving away the sister, because she's deaf. So I'm not sure if I will get her or not.
Awe shucks! life gets complicated. More than anything I hope the right situation happens for the dogs.
Thanks for all your help everyone :D
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$1000 is way over priced for a piebald dane. They will be lucky to get $250 to $300 for him as a 8 week old pup. and even far less at the age they are. The danes look a bit spindly but do look healthy. Danes at about that age usually look thin. They wont put on weight until they are well over a year old. They go through growth spurts that cause this. She should really consider splitting them up if they are going to good homes
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You're really helping me out here Rrat, appreciate it ~
Now, does piebald mean... mm... defective? and that would not change my mind about raising her. But in the link you sent it mentioned a breeding glip per say. Something like, you don't want to make more 'white' danes, but it's okay to make more 'harlequins', which have much more black splotches to offer.
Which would make sense if you are buying danes to breed. That whites are not as desirable.. mainly because of the deaf/vision thing..?
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White or piebald is not a color recognized by the AKC as an acceptable color for a great dane
http://www.gdca.org/colorcode.html
Most AKC danes that go for $1000 are a recognized color AKC registered to a pet home. A dane with breeding rights will go for more.
There was a lady here locally trying to sell a piebald started at $600 as a 8 week old pup registered and with shots think she finally got $300 if that and had the dog for several months we gave $250 for theo as a pup. The white or piebald is a mutated gene from breeding a merle to a mantle somewhere back in its bloodlines. It is considered a defect. You can AKC register a Piebald but cant show it. Which in your case is no big deal. In short people who know danes will not pay full price for a pup that one has a defect and 2 not registered. I am unsure of how well you know the owners but it appears to me they are trying to make a buck which is sad if it is the case as the main concern should be getting the dogs to a good home
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I see. Very interesting. This sheds a whole lot of light on this situation.
Did Theo come registered to you?
So, if this current owner bought her and her brother and they didn't come to her registered... then she cannot register them right?
I don't care if this dane is registered or not, but it has made me think about it.
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We got a small piebald 3 years ago. We paid about $40 for him at a rescue center. Yeah, he's a lot smaller than a Great Dane, but he's given us more love than you can imagine.
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I see. Very interesting. This sheds a whole lot of light on this situation.
Did Theo come registered to you?
So, if this current owner bought her and her brother and they didn't come to her registered... then she cannot register them right?
I don't care if this dane is registered or not, but it has made me think about it.
Theo is not registered. He is full and both parents was registered. I really don't see any since in registering unless you intend on breeding or showing. In order to register you would have to go back to the original breeder. On another note most all Dane pups that go to pet homes come with a 2 year health guarantee and breeder support and all shots and vet checked it is part of the $1000 you pay. I would be interested to know what the guy paid for these pups it appears to me they took them in with dollar signs in their eyes and are pretty uneducated on Danes. They should be able to easily answer all the questions you asked here and more. I'm wondering also where the original breeder fits in on this most reputable breeders keep track of where there puppies are and how they are doing. Most have a clause in the puppy contract when they sell the dog that if dog is to be re-homed it has to come back to the breeder to insure that they go to a good home. Most of all don't let any of this discourage you from trying to take in the little gal its not her fault and all shes wanting is a home that she can be a normal goofy dane for her new humans. And 2 danes are better than one they require very little room and are ideal house dogs so 2 aint much more than 1 when it comes to space
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Oh Wman! Look at that face! He's is as sweet as... well.. honey LOL, I love the pieball markings.
All of our dogs were rescue dogs except the one we have now, Katy, I offered to take her from a friend who just couldn't get along with her. she was a menace with her brother, but as soon as we separated them she's been the best dog.
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Rrat ~ "I really don't see any since in registering unless you intend on breeding or showing."
Agreed! I know nothing about becoming a full on breeder any way, after your explaination it sound like another job. I already have enough irons in the fire.
Now ya got me thinking...
If I could get her to drop her price on the brother to $300 or less, who doesn't have a hearing/vision issue, it might be a consideration. Because now I know that the brother will not call a $1000 price, except for maybe to an uneducated buyer.
I would have to pay to have them both spay/neut, and their shots and examinations. I would have to have both danes examined for the defect as well, just to be sure, so I know how to train them. That's going to run up a few hundred dollars right there. I have to keep this in perspective.
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dogs are definitely not cheap to keep (but lots cheaper than humans...)
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Jen. You sure you want a dane. The daughter wanted a selfie with theo and this is what she got
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Something tells me if you have a dog that size you want to make sure it never goes hungry! >:(
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Hahahaha! It would be this afternoon snack that I would be afraid for
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True story. My sister had a Great Dane and my dad gave it away right after I was born because the dog (a male) was aggressive towards me (understandable but I was an infant O:-)). Anyway, a farmer dad knew took the dog but he later put him down because he killed a pony! I don't know how big the pony was but even small ones are pretty big! I don't know that anyone knew the dog's motivation. I didn't trust the breed for many years as a young man but I've since learned that they aren't an especially aggressive breed--towards humans, at least AND, I love dogs. I have 5 right now but I'm not replacing them as the older ones pass so the number of dogs er own will decline over the next few years as 3 are very old. Wife and I want fewer so it's easier to travel in our retirement years.
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Hi Chip ;) I have heard of another tragic dane story as well, two danes took down a deer here locally, many years ago. But that is the way nature is, once in a while any breed of any animal is going to cast out a mean one. Same with bees. I'm not patient with mean hives, I try first to understand what is going on, if I can't find an answer, that hive goes down river.
Thanks for your honesty :D I too am a big dog lover
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Jen, I suspect that such cases are the result of innate traits that were desirable when the breed was being developed. I read that Dane's were bred as hunting dogs for large game like boar and deer but later became more of a gentle breed for the wealthy as a sign of prestige. I used to be a passionate waterfowl hunter and owned a couple of Chessies. Great dogs but one of the traits selected for when they were being develop was to protect the possessions of market hunters. Mine were both very protective so I had to take precautions so nobody got bit! I loved those dogs and would have them again if I only hunted waterfowl. The past 20 years, I've mostly hunted upland birds with pointing breeds (I'm a big Brittany fan) and I continue to be amazed at their innate characteristics. I've had more than 1 pup point birds when they were only 6 or 7 weeks old. The oldest dog in my kennel is 14 now. She pointed partridge at 7 weeks out by our garden one evening. I took her to Canada when she was 12 weeks and she pointed partridge every afternoon when I came in from hunting with my older dogs. I used a blank gun to condition her to noise that week and shot a bunch of birds over her points that next week. I love watching them develop their passion to hunt. Some of my best friends are dogs :)
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Nice story Chip :D I'm not that disciplined with my dogs, but they do have to be trained and have good manners. I take them with me all the time where ever I go. So when I get a new dog I take them to obedience classes to keep me and the dogs trained. They have to come back to me when ever I call no matter what ~
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Sounds like a good plan. I have a friend who has been giving hunting dog training seminars all over the country for several decades. He likes the challenge of educating folks about dog behavior, especially how dogs express themselves, how we (mis)interpret many behaviors, and what people need to do to get the most out of their dogs. His methods are gentle and they focus on getting dogs to do 3 things: 1) come to me, 2) go with me, and 3) stop. He feels those are the basic commands that all dogs need to master to do well in the field and to be safe wherever we may take them. Lots of other commands are useful but most are not necessary for most breeds of hunting dogs. Other than retrieving, that's all the commands (I have different names for them) I teach my dogs. It's formal, I suppose, but pretty simple, just like me :)
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That would be a very interesting seminar whether you're training for hunting or not. Who might this fellow be?
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Morning Jen. He's Rick Smith. You can find information on his seminars at: http://www.huntsmith.com/
Rick gives the seminars as does his cousin, Ronnie. They are both top notch. There is usually a seminar in California each year but I don't know if it's anywhere close to you. They also have videos available. They give 3 different seminars and the one I described is their foundational seminar. It is the one I outlined in my post. The other two are geared more towards advanced training for competition in field trials or polishing a dog up to be a stellar field dog. All of the Smith seminars are based on the same behavioral building blocks they teach in the foundation seminar.
People who take the seminar also take their dog so Rick or Ronnie can tailor advice for a specific dog and the owner. Most of the dogs at the seminars are retrievers and pointers but the techniques work on any breed. I've hosted a couple of Rick's seminars here at my home but haven't the past few years due to an overly busy schedule.
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Thanks Chip! and appreciate the link as well
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Looks like it's a go with my dane, I'm so excited and a little nervous too. Haven't had a giant puppy in the house before. Sunday will be the day to meet and greet our two dogs, if the weather is conducive, snow might keep us from going over the pass.
The owner says that dane is chewing everything in sight, and her favorite thing to chew is TIRES! LOL
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I hope you saved and froze some back bones from your deer this year.You are going to need them. Otherwise, find a local butcher and get some beef bones.
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Didn't save any deer bones this year. Beef knuckles for sure ;D
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CONGRATS you wont regret getting the little gal
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Thanks Rrat... we were supposed to get her today but the snow on the pass kept us home, supposed to be snowing for 7 days :sad:
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She's Here She's Here! She's a 10 month old Great Dane. Piebald and deaf. She's a rescue, the breeders were going to put her to sleep because it's too hard to find homes for deaf dogs. Jen to the rescue.
Her name is Phoebe = fee bee. Titan Goddess of the Moon. Such a loving dog, my heart swells.
Hubby had some trepidation about this crazy idea of Jen's, but she has taken a liking to him, and I do believe the feelings are likewise
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That looks....comfortable? :D
Congrats on your new family member, and good on you for opening your heart.
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Congratulations on the new family member!
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Aahhh! Great picture. I think everyone is feeling at home.
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Yay for Phoebe! :)
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she fits on his lap! Have fun with your new baby!
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giant lap dogs love them danes. Congrats on getting her home
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Better get use to this
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Rat, where did the black one come from. Did you let one slip in without telling us, or is that Bam Bam's buddy.?
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That last picture is hilarious Jen. Epic chair fail.
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Rat, where did the black one come from. Did you let one slip in without telling us, or is that Bam Bam's buddy.?
Thats the wifes pup oscar ole Theos playmate them 2 are unsepratable hes about 6 months old
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Perry - "That last picture is hilarious Jen. Epic chair fail."
:D Is an 'epic chair fail' when she can't get her back legs over the arm of the chair? :D So then she gives up and decides "What the heck, might as well have a nap" :D
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Yup. A "fail" is when a dog doesn't quite have the ability to use something in its correct form. On the greyhound forum there are dogs with expensive beds with only the dogs head on it, and some dogs sleep on their owners bed but their hind legs hang off cause they haven't figured out how to get them up there. Funny stuff.
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Hey Jen, I guess at this point keeping the puppy off the furniture isn't going to happen! O:-) Too cute!
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Rrat and Perry, yesterday, Phoebe's second full day. She woke up and was full of energy and vinegar. Then in the early afternoon she slept hard for 3 hours. Then got up went potty, slept 3 more hours, got up had dinner, and kept dozing off all evening. I know that greyhounds are professional sleepers, is this normal for very young danes as well?
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I would think so. Greyhounds are well known as the "45 mph couch potato" and they come by that name honestly. I think the bigger the dog it would apply as much. That is one big girl you have there Jen, probably just stopped growing really, and will now start to fill out a little. A lot of energy is expended just walking around when you're that size.
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That's my instinct. Also, she's been removed from two other homes. So, I'm thinking all of the newness and excessive sniffing, new food just tuckered her out. I've also noticed that it's the mornings that she is so active and needs other dogs to play with. Katy is to old to play anymore. There is a dog shelter in our town, think I'll see if they have play time for other dogs to visit..
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Here you go Jen. Theo at 2 years olf has outgrown his chewing stage. But any dane when upset with you will get even. He didn't want me leaving to go to the shrine temple election of officers last night and I came home with this setting on my bed so I could find it. My 3 month old Red wing work boot. Guess he got even
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:o ;D :o ;D :o ;D
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Heres the kicker I had it put up from him. He will look over the house looking for something of mine to get even with no telling how long he looked to find the boot. It use to be my shrine ball caps He got 5 of them before I finally started putting them in a closet where he couldn't get them.
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Ha! Phoebe is doing good. I had a friend suggest getting old basketballs and footballs, deflate them and use them for teething toys. This one was in decent shape for about 48 hours, she does still chew on it. Albeit, you boot is the most costly loss. Yah, so if you're not going to let Theo have that boot, ship it to me ;)
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Also, see the end of her nose... my trainer said to consider having all the pink on her nose tattoo'd black. The vet can do it the same time she gets spayed. Seems that that moist pink part is very susceptible to melanoma and it's hard seeing dogs that have half their noses cut away :sad:
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Ole theo and the boot is just a long string of things he has destroyed. 5 shrine hats several paires of socks several tv remotes a pair of my eye glasses. house shoes couches the list goes on. But still love him to death
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Sounds like my grandson LOL ~~ But love that little red head like no ones business.
I've got a trainer helping me with Phoebe, not as strong as I used to be.
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Congrats Jen,
Has she done the zoomies yet,Zoomies are when for no reason they have to run at full speed all over the place.
And it will be a matter of time before you will get another one.We have two now.
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Oh No! My miniature dachshund runs zoomies every evening. I can't imagine the destruction wrought by a Great Dane!
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Congrats Jen,
Has she done the zoomies yet,Zoomies are when for no reason they have to run at full speed all over the place.
And it will be a matter of time before you will get another one.We have two now.
Nothing more fun than watching a dane with zommies every dane we have owned practiced this unique rendition of a horse running in a house ;D
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Frank:
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Yep!!! Phoebe has the zoomies/leapies LOL
Zooms across the room, jumps onto the sofa, zooms back across the room, leaps onto the over stuffed chair, zooms back to the sofa.. repeat etc.
We've had her two weeks now so I'm starting to catch when that is going to happen, so I run and fling open the sliding glass door, run outside, she zooms after me and zooms all over the backyard.
I also found a fanstasic sofa cover on amazon. Heavy duty, non slip, non skid. It has a light rubber backing for leather sofa's. Brilliant!
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Kingd ~ You have 2 danes? Do Tell! I want all the scoop ;D 8)
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Our Dane adventure started years ago when our Aussie/mix was getting older,We have had good luck with an older dog help
with teaching a younger dog.
Found out someone had Dane puppies for sale and thought why not? When the old dog passed our Dane was very depressed and
just buy chance we found another Dane that needed a new home,Took a couple of weeks but they are best friends now.
The old girl is Violet, 9 years old and all black 110 lbs And our adopted girl is now 3 years old and 153 lbs,her name is Ella Mae.
I am not sure if it is Great Danes that are weird or being females ,maybe both :D We have always had male dogs in the past but the wife wanted to try a girl dog , No complaints here though.
They are my wifes dogs without a doubt even though I am the one that took them to dog school and to the vet etc.
Love them both and at times I get the itch to get another one.
P.S.
Both of our girls each have a small stuffed toy that they get when it is time to go to bed,always the same toy,And they are not dog toys,they childrens stuffed animals.
The little dog has a tiny stuffed gorilla that she kept getting out of my daughters room and the younger one has a Thomas the train
Pillow pet stuffed toy.
They do not wreck them or chew them and all we do is put them in a pillow case to wash every so often.
Never figured it out
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Hey Kingd and Rrat, maybe Perry too.
Phoebe is now almost 11 months. The last 2-3 days my older female lab mix has been just lightly humping around Phoebe. And today Phoebe was just breaking every rule, even sneaking and getting into mischief. Could she be in heat? I haven't noticed any droplets..
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Hey Kingd and Rrat, maybe Perry too.
Phoebe is now almost 11 months. The last 2-3 days my older female lab mix has been just lightly humping around Phoebe. And today Phoebe was just breaking every rule, even sneaking and getting into mischief. Could she be in heat? I haven't noticed any droplets..
Jen, the behavior you describe is all about social dominance structure instead of a reproductive thing. Dogs need to understand where they sit in social dominance of the group of dogs (and other critters, including humans) and humping is a way they sort that out. It's confusing because it seems similar to breeding to us humans but the dogs understand it very well. When one dog humps another, they are telling the "Humpee" that they are one notch above them in social stature. Sorry for the "humpee" but it's all I could think of at this hour. You see this when you bring a new dog home or you put a bunch of dogs together that aren't acquainted. It's a behavior of pack animals that keeps the pack strong and organized and, in the case of wolves, produces pack leaders; an alpha male and an alpha female. As dogs age, they continue to check their social standing by humping or other behaviors (there are more than just humping). Rarely aggressive. It's almost like dogs need to know where they fit in rather than needing to advance as we see in humans.
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Jen Chip nailed it with nothing but net. as for the mischief and sneaking. she is getting comfy around the house as I said danes use their intelligence to try and beat you at your game :laugh:
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Thanks Chip and Rrat. I do know some about the hump dominance thing. But it was the first time I've seen a female express this attitude. And Katy, our old dog, the humper, poor thing has arthritis in her hips and she's doing the best hump she can to remain the dominant leader. I do believe Phoebe gets what Katy is telling her.
Rrat, definitely seeing the precociousness in Phoebe. If she doesn't get what she wants, she will go and knock the phone off of it's cradle, pulls the cord on the lamp until the lamp hits the floor. We've pretty much puppy proofed the house to keep her from getting into trouble all the time, but I'll be darned, she can find something to make me pay attention to her.
She's doing real well ;D sleeps all night, races around the yard 2-3 times a day, slowly getting the leash down, sitting nicely while I put her bowl of food down otherwise me and the food end up on the floor :D
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I'm reading about when to get her spayed, some say that is you spay or neuter a dane before 2 years that it could shorten their life? Phoebe is just under a year old.
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Definitely a dominance thing,Funny thing is friends of ours brought their female German Shepard over for a nail trim,
Our big girl went right over and started the humping thing :o
I have heard of waiting before getting fixed,I didn't know about 2 years, I was told 1 year to 1 1/2 years though
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We fix Brittanys at about their first estrous cycle which is about 9 months. Don't know about larger dogs but your vet will. Other dominance behaviors include a dog placing their foot on top of ours or leaning into us. Many people interpret it as affection but it isn't. In the dog training seminars, we often see the dogs main owner as the leader but other family members fall way down in social standing (in the dogs view). Dogs have a simple body language but they are very effective when they train "their" human.
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Chip, now Phoebe will pin us against the wall, or into a chair where we can't get out. It's a little problematic when you have 90 lbs to get out from under :D
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I didnt know that about the leaning thing,Amazing what you can learn from fellow beekeepers :laugh:
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Chip, now Phoebe will pin us against the wall, or into a chair where we can't get out. It's a little problematic when you have 90 lbs to get out from under :D
Sounds like Phoebe is making solid progress getting you trained :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Dogs are amazing animals; can't imagine getting by without a few around me :)
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Kingd ~ Ain't it the truth?
I always thought that dane leaning thing was a big hug. Hmmm, not sure how to deal with those pin downs now? What do you think King?
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Jen, we use a knee to lightly thump the dog away and increase the intensity until you get the response you want. Then go back to a very light thump and she will comply unless she challenges you again. Main thing is to teach the dog that a certain action by you requires them to comply. They will challenge you all the time so no need to escalate the signal with progressively stronger thumps. Always go back to a mild, and undetectable almost (to humans) she'll learn not to do that because you are dominant. I've trained a couple of chessies that weighed 130 lbs so size isn't the issue. If you can't get the reaction you want, step on her foot. Start gentle until you get compliance and then go back to your most gentle setting :) dogs train like horses in that pressure somewhere on their body means a certain thing. Like training the neck of a horse what it means when the reins touch one side of their neck or the other.
All that said, she's your dog and letting her push you around a little may not affect her value as a pet (and friend) to you. Everybody has different expectations so you should have the dog the way you want. Letting her get away with crowding isn't as bad as other behaviors and shouldn't affect aggressiveness. It's all about social standing. It is also possible that her handicap may influence her behavior. I wouldn't be overly concerned unless she holds you to a wall for longer than you want. I teach them behavioral rules early because they can be more difficult to change as they get older. And I teach all my dogs the same rules so I don't have to remember different things for different dogs--i have too many to do otherwise. But, if you wait, I'm living proof that you can teach an old dog new tricks :)
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All of our danes have been learners. We have always allowed them to lean as they never actually got pushy just wanted to lean on you, We like for our danes to keep their personality its give and take. Some of the things they do to show dominance is not allowed but on the other hand the leaning we go with as we enjoy them and after all you got to even let people win every now and again or they quit playing.
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Real good Chic and Rrat.
Chip, I like the gentle knee thing. And I actually don't mind the leaning so much, but I do mind being pinned down. When she leans on me, I give her 3-4 nice long strokes down the stretch of her beautiful body, then give her a noogy on the head and move away.
If I'm on the couch or it's nap time on the bed, she now knows that she cannot plop half of her big body across me, or she knows my feet come up and push her off of me. She's getting it. I just love napping with her.
Rrat, this girl is Smart! and I find myself constantly chuckling at her antics. One thing I've taken into consideration with Phoebe is that she was already 10 months old when we brought her home, so I knew I was in for some adjustment and correction, not much but just enough that all of us who live in our house are comfortable and at ease with each other.
I think one of the things that I'm so endeared with, is how she will be sound asleep on the couch, wake up, come look for me, then return to the couch and go right back to sleep. It comforting to know that she just needs to know where I am.
Also Rrat, did you get all of your danes as small puppies?
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I got all fo them at 8 weeks except theo and we got him at 5 weeks. We was way bigger than the other pups and eating solid food. When the other pups would try to nurse he would bully them out of the way. A dominance thing. We wanted to wait for 8 weeks but went ahead and brought him home. The 5 through 8 week perios is crucial for a pups development with their siblings and theo missed this and we can see that he missed it. one is learning how to play he plays a littlr rough but a lot of that is in the way him and I played
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I see. Phoebe came from a possible backyard dane breeder in southern Calif, been learning a lot about this back yard breeder thing. She did come with AKC papers that named her sire and dam tho. From there, she and her bro were about 4 months old, when a legit breeder in Oregon took her and her brother. Because they both carry the merle gene, and the original breeders were not able to sell them and were going to put them to sleep.
So, from 4 months to 10 months Phoebe and bro stayed with a family of 8 kids. The woman of the house was complaining of the destructiveness of these two danes. So the Man of the house decided to keep Phoebe's brother as his service dog, the man of the house is a recovering veteran. So, Phoebe needed a new home.
That said, I'm always amazed at how dogs behave differently in other homes. Phoebe hasn't been destructive at all, except for one foam pad the first week she was here. Possibly a much quieter environment, and more one on one attention. Lucky Me ;D
Now, she's going in for her first vet check today. She has a lot of pink on her nose. My trainer said that it's a good idea to have her nose tattooed black for sun exposure. That pink noses are susceptible to sunburn and cancer. If her nose gets cancerous the vet would have to cut away that part of her nose. That would break my heart.
Rrat, Chip, and Kingd... How do you guys feel about this?
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I'm not sure about the nose thing,I am curious what the vet will say.
The knee thing works well,it also works for dogs that like to jump up on you.
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The reasoning for the tattoo makes sense to me but I don't have any experience. All the dogs I've owned over the year had brown or black noses. Vet should be a source of information. If not too expensive, it might be worthwhile if there's a clear benefit.
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I'll let ya know what vet says today. I haven't heard of this either but here is a peculiar story. Two of my friends have a shop on main street, this shop is an art gallery, consignment art, sculptures, and tattoos. Anyway, I was telling them this idea of tatting my dogs nose, the tat artist said that one time a person came in with their dog and ask to have it's nose tattooed, for the same reason as my dog. Tattoo artist said "Really.. you have to be kidding me?..Right?" and that's putting it mildly.
This dog owner was willing to hold down the dog while it's nose would be tattooed. Of course it didn't happen.
This is her nose now
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You could get creative and have the tattoo artist make it look like a bee :D. Just kidding :)
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:D :D :D
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Phoebe has been updated on her shots. Weighs 91 pounds. Been micro chipped. Set up for her spay. As far as tattooing the nose, doc said that she is young and the pigment will spread, so we'll wait a while and see how it goes. Good report ;D 8)
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Jen... I did not read every post...
I owned magic marker kennels and trained Springers and Labs for many years.. Training a deaf dog is not much different than training any dog. You have to be consistent.
You have to understand how a dog thinks.
Teaching a dog not to get into the garbage for instance... To a dog, understanding it is NOT supposed to poke its nose into your garbage, can is easily taught.. but, if the garbage can falls over and "things" fall out of it.. the situation has changed, and it is no longer "off limits" and it is open season....
Yelling with a deaf dog will obviously do no good. Making them understand through physical action is what it will take. For you, that means not losing your temper and being consistent with your reprimands. Consistency and patience will take a little more time, but is very doable. That dog will be paying attention to your face, your emotion and your actions, rather than your words. If you use those things in place of sound you will be surprised how fast they learn and understand.
I wish you the best!
Scott
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Awe Thanks Scott, so nice to hear from you around here.
Your advice is appreciated. Phoebe and me are making progress every day. She sits, lays down, sits still until I set her bowl of food down, leash training is coming along nicely now that I have the right training collar for her. The only real stubborn problem is keeping her out of the kitchen, but we're working on the boundary line, and the sit and stay. That's going to take a while. Other than that we are right on course :) 8)
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The deaf dogs I trained all used hand signals.
Hold your open hand up fingers pointed toward the sky and close it into a fist for "sit"
Closed fist into a point for stay
Open hand palm down and move it downward for DOWN or lay down.
Open hand swiping across the front for no. Usually they learn NO and happy just from your expression quickly, IE; you are smiling or frowning.
the actions can be anything you want them to be, those are the ones I used. The only thing to do is remain consistent in how you use them.
If you call a dog by name expecting it to come to you and it does not... you have to go get them immediately and reprimand them with NO COME.. Rain, snow, mud or nightgown even if the neighbor is watching. If you cannot go get them then don't call them, or in your place signal. If you let them do their own thing without reprimand and just walk away, they learn either nothing, or that they do not have to listen. With a deaf dog it is hard because they cannot hear you calling them and you have to wait for them to look.
One Deaf Lab I had would see me come out, and then REFUSE to look at me until HE was ready to come back. He was the smartest dog I have ever trained and went on to be an outstanding duck dog despite his disability.
Patience, patience, patience with consistent methods will soon have a pet and friend your human friends will be jealous of.
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Phoebe and I are doing well with training, she's been in two other houses so I have to work a little harder at it, but it's coming along just fine.
My biggest problem with her, is the kitchen, I have a small kitchen, one way in turn around one way out. I cannot keep her out of the kitchen, she is oblivious. Been on YouTube, not much there. I've tried the invisible barrier, oblivious. I've tried turning the bar stools upside down and blocking the entrance, oblivious. I've been using the knee thing like Chip suggested for dominance, oblivious. I've been using treats for every time she sits or lays down outside the kitchen entrance, oblivious.
She's tall enough to get her whole head onto the counter tops. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm to the point of a shock collar but don't know if that will keep her out. Would like to have a lazer barrier of some sort where she would get a little zap if she crosses the line, is there such a contraption?
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Jen,
There are invisible fences. I can see how one could be hidden under the carpet.
She sounds like a sweet dog that wants to please you, she'll come around. :)
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Chip, Scott, Perry, Kind
My biggest problem with her, is the kitchen, I have a small kitchen, one way in turn around one way out. I cannot keep her out of the kitchen, she is oblivious. Been on YouTube, not much there. I've tried the invisible barrier, oblivious. I've tried turning the bar stools upside down and blocking the entrance, oblivious. I've been using the knee thing like Chip suggested for dominance, oblivious. I've been using treats for every time she sits or lays down outside the kitchen entrance, oblivious.
She's tall enough to get her whole head onto the counter tops. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm to the point of a shock collar but don't know if that will keep her out. Would like to have a lazer barrier of some sort where she would get a little zap if she crosses the line, is there such a contraption?
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Need some help! My biggest problem with her, is the kitchen, I have a small kitchen, one way in turn around one way out. I cannot keep her out of the kitchen, she's oblivious to any technique we try. Been on YouTube, not much there. I've tried the invisible barrier, oblivious. I've tried turning the bar stools upside down and blocking the entrance, oblivious. I've been using the knee thing like Chip suggested for dominance, oblivious. I've been using treats for every time she sits or lays down outside the kitchen entrance, oblivious.
She's tall enough to get her whole head onto the counter tops. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm to the point of a shock collar but don't know if that will keep her out. Would like to have a lazer barrier of some sort where she would get a little zap if she crosses the line, is there such a contraption?
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part of her antics and as I said they use their smarts to beat you at your game. We use child gates to keep theo out of kitchen when we need to. we have yet to have a dane that would cross a child gate. another thing we have found is out of all the danes we have had Pebbles is the only we had that would go up or down a full flight of stairs
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Chip, Perry, Scott, Kingd
My biggest problem with her, is the kitchen, I have a small kitchen, one way in turn around one way out. I cannot keep her out of the kitchen, she is oblivious. Been on YouTube, not much there. I've tried the invisible barrier, oblivious. I've tried turning the bar stools upside down and blocking the entrance, oblivious. I've been using the knee thing like Chip suggested for dominance, oblivious. I've been using treats for every time she sits or lays down outside the kitchen entrance, oblivious.
She's tall enough to get her whole head onto the counter tops. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm to the point of a shock collar but don't know if that will keep her out. Would like to have a lazer barrier of some sort where she would get a little zap if she crosses the line, is there such a contraption?
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Wow how safe will that cake be on the counter? Good luck
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child proof gate
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Actually CBT ~ My kitchen looks Great! There is nothing on the counters anymore except the coffee pot and dish rack :D But if I'm cooking there is edible stuff all over the place and Nothing that will keep her back. Pretty sure she was allowed in the kitchen in her last household. This could get complicated :-\\
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umm... remember the phrase spare the rod and spoil the child?
With most pups it only takes a few times.. It is how mama would have made them understand too, with a nip that hurt.. The thing is to remember your strength and size.. A dane is a big pup but it is still easy to hurt them if you get angry. They only need to understand your unhappy, they do not need to be yiping in pain or fear.
I have never trained a pup that took more than a week to potty trail, and I have never trained a pup that took more than a week to learn that the garbage was off limits. Once they understand the rules they are usually a LOT happier than if they are guessing or worried. Inconsistant training is what usually leads to timidness just as much as being heavyhanded.. when they do not understand the reprimand they get unhappy quick. I have also seen a pup "click" when it realized what I was training it, and get so excited from the realization that the training for the day had to be suspended.
I love dogs and working with dogs.. I often wish we had never given up on our kennels.. we had a great line of Springers going.
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;D >: ;D
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So!!! Rat tells me you got yourself a dane pup aye!
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Very photogenic! He ought to consider a career as a canine model. :)
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Hahahaha! He looks like he's from the Dog Mob! Theo Pachino! :laugh:
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Hey Rrat... What was the oldest age of all your danes?
My mom had her second dane live to 11 years.
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Anne was 12 when we lost her. Bambam injured his spine and lost him at 5 we still have the other 2 theo and pebbles paebbles is 8 and theo 3
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Wow! 12 years, that is almost unheard of, how nice for you guys.
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Life with a great dane ~ Replacing a window that cracked during the winter freeze
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LOL!! Always wanting to help out.