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Offline Alleyyooper

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Remington 700 muzzle loader bolt springs.
« on: November 10, 2014, 08:03:40 am »
Coflicting data on just how many pounds the bold spring is on a Remington 700 Muzzle loader. One source says 22 pounds and another claims 24 pounds. Brownells has sold a stronger spring for a long time to replace the factory spring. I wanted to buy a couple and replace my stock springs,( read story here, http://thunderbucks.com/tbforum/inde...pic,657.0.html )as to why I decided to replace them.

Brownells either were out or no longer handles them when I went to order them. But I found out I could get a 29 pound spring from Wollf Gun Springs. I ordered two of them and they arrived Monday afternoon in early April in the mail. It rained here on Thursday and I had to take Kare to a doctors visit so the morning was pretty much shot as far as doing a major project so I removed the bolt from the 54 cal. and tore it down. I had did that once before about 2005 when I installed the Canadian 209 primer kit and removed the # 11 cap striker. Is a fairly simple job of screwing a tool that was supplied with the primer comnverstion kit on to the bolt face compress the spring then push the striker down on a hard object so a fork can be sliped in place to hold all the tenstion so I could drive a tiny pin out.Once that is out you unscrew the striker and the old spring is loose.
the new spring is at least one inch longer than the old one. I buffed all the parts installed the new spring and it is ready to have me shoot test it. I should mention we make our own snap caps with those tiny mecianal pencil ereasers they fit where a 209 primer goes and with a tiny hole work on a #11 nipple and fit into small and large rifle case primer pockets. One down and one to go.

I got pictures just need to get them off the camera to up load.

Kare wanted to watch the CMA's one night so I went down and did the second spring so am finished.
Well I do need to take them out and shoot them. I think I will load them and throw them in the freezer over night or maybe for 24 hours to give them a real test.


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Re: Remington 700 muzzle loader bolt springs.
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 08:06:22 am »
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      Why did you want to install a heavier spring? Were you getting misfires with the shotgun primers?
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Re: Remington 700 muzzle loader bolt springs.
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 08:08:22 am »
So it was a rainy day and I had not put the Remingtons away after the bolt spring up grade 4-26-14
This is the 50 cal, one my wife got for me.





This is the 54 cal. Kare had bought this one for me also.



Remington 700 ML bolt and a Remington bolt take down tool.

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How it is used to take the bolt down.







The knurled tool came with the Canadian 209 kit I bought for the 54cal. once screw on fully you press down on the fireing pin part and slid a little fork in place which also came with the kit.



Another fork view. You need that in place to drive a pin out so you can unscrew the firing pin/striker and remove the old spring. Note the small hole in the bolt end.



Old spring is the short one, been told it is only a 24# spring. The new spring is a Wolff 29 # one.



I learned many years ago on my first Remington 700 center fire you do not use a wet type lube on the bolt as they will freeze up in cold weather. I use this stuff which is like dri slide. It goes on wet and dry's to a super slippery surface in minutes.



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Re: Remington 700 muzzle loader bolt springs.
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 08:17:27 am »
Since the link doesn't seem to work here is the story I wrote last winter.

Well I am sure the gods of hunting are laughing their ----- off this morning. It is a bit warmer than yesterday but I have decided it doesn't do any thing except make you cold quicker to get in the blind a half hour before legal shooting hours which right now is 7:22 AM to 5:21PM. I finally sat down in the blind at 7:23 this morning after setting my chair in place and unloading the camera, binocs and thermos. I sat the rifle in the corner as normal and started the vigil. Wasn't long and a deer came down the hill from the north east and crossed the creek about at my 60 yard stump marker. It was acting strange for a doe with it's nose going to the ground and trotting and then running a bit. Looked at it with the binocs and couldn't see any horns. About 10 minutes later two more came from that north east area crossed the creek and walked up the hill to the north side of my blind. One of them went under it even. About 8:30 Kare calls me on the radio and said I had not put air in her tire when the low pressure warning went off the other day.  I told her I was coming in at 9:45 to do the air for her and walk the dog so she didn't have to. She has a doctors appointment with her mom at 11:00. While she is talking here comes a deer from the south west. The one under my blind left about that time too. So Kare leaves me to look at the deer, there were 3 of them all in a line, went to the creek and walked along it to the east. About the time they got to the creek 2 more came from the north east and they seemed in a hurry to turn and go up in the Russian olive south of me. I was about ready to settle back down again and another lone deer 11th one so far, came from the south west. It was looking like it was tracking one with its nose to the ground a bunch. I look and it is a fork horn. Clear the deck fold and move my chair as it was in the way I felt. Try to open the window and it isn't budging, Well DA Ya got to remove the spike you wedged in there when the wind was blowing it open so far. Now I got the rifle out the window mostly resting the forearm on my hand on the window sill. Snick the safety off and the buck is in some trees near the creek. Finally he steps out and I place the cross hairs on him. squeeze the trigger and nothing., did I remember to let the safety off? Rifle isn't cocked I see so cocked it and placed the cross hairs and again nothing. Did that a total of 4 times. O the 5th try it went boom and the buck jumped and ran about a total of 20 yard's in a very clear area. I grab the CVA quick load, dump the powder in and try to get the sabot and bullet to start. finally it goes so I could ram it home, I still have that buck out there about 70 yards looking around. I now need to put a #11 cap on the nipple. Stupid caps want to turn in the capper and not go on the nipple, I flick 3 on the floor of the blind before I finally get one on. Now the buck is over the hill to the north east and gone.

I climb down out of the blind and go investigate. Just skid marks where he was standing at the shot. Crossed the creek and left a trail of urine that I could really smell. Up the hill following his tracks in the little bit of snow and over turned leaves and all the way across the woods with him just walking no blood or hair to be seen.

I look at the time and it is 8:50 AM, I don't know what went wrong the caps are CCI Mags and were working great just days before when I was shooting for the practice and make sure it was still on the mark.  Never the less I came in and did the chores for Kare. Then I loaded up the 54cal. after I popped a primer. it uses 209's. I am going to take my plains hunter and shoot it tomorrow and make sure it is on the mark incase the trouble is the cold effecting the bolts firing pins even though I don't oil them after that little problem I had with the 308 that cold November so many years ago. Ray said I should never oil the bolts on a 700.



The plains rifle is a side lock. I have a little bit of real black but it works with T 7 as long as I remember to thump the stock and get some in the fire channel before setting the sabot and bullet.

 :)   Al
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