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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2014, 03:14:54 pm »
Jen, when I had my lessons on how to keep bees the teachers insisted on renewing comb 50% each year, so you always have clean comb with little to no residu from anything, but yours are pitch black. Is there any reason to keep using dark brown to black comb? I'm in my 2nd year so still learning everything I can.

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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2014, 03:42:45 pm »
vossejongk, here it is recommended to change out 20% annually, or 2 frames in a 10 frame hive. That gives a complete change every 5 years. I have never heard of changing out 50%. Here, I would think that excessive, and not needed. Of course, I am not in the Netherlands, so it may be different there.

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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2014, 03:43:50 pm »
Hi Vossejongk  :)  I have also read and been told on this forum to exchange frames on a regular basis. Where I live, the air is pretty clean, and we don't live near commercial agriculture fields where there are pesticides present. I think my stance at this point is to switch out frames about every three years, or when the wax gets brittle. So far, this very dark wax I have is still very plyable. Not only that but I can see eggs easier in dark wax.

I still consider myself a beginner as well, going into my 4 season. I've had a rough go of it these last three years and this forum has helped me out immensely ~

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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2014, 04:32:04 pm »
Hah well studies, it's really the basics on what to and not to do, keep them alive during winter and fighting the varroa is a big chunk of it as well. I trust my teacher, more then 25 years of experience so if he says replace 50% then I'll take his word. But I won't hijack this thread any further ;) haha

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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2014, 04:53:26 pm »
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2014, 07:48:36 pm »
Hijack this thread all you want to. We want your participation. Everybody's thoughts and opinions are welcome. A good mix of ideas make the best overall education.
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2014, 10:31:05 pm »
I try to keep my combs in the three to four year range... but have recently read about a study that said surviveability of brood is better in older comb of five to six years...    ?
   Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it, and my mind is way too far gone to remember it, but I do recall wondering in what type of environment the research was done in.
   I live smack in the heart of farm country, where neonics and other pesticides are used widely.
   Having fields within inches of some of my hives I have never noticed a large die off from the "bloom" of dust reported to spread from the planters. I watched a plane spray the field about a quarter mile from my house last year, and watched my bees VERY closely, but did not notice any die off of any hive. Still, I don't like leaving the older wax to collect the insecticides..    I have one yard I use as a survivor yard, and I an considering leaving a couple of the hives alone to let the comb age. Is there more benefit to older comb than danger?

   I think that 50% would compromise too much ability to make honey. I try to replace most comb early when I am feeding, so that by the time the bloom hits most of the new comb is already built. I do replace a little during the bloom to keep the bees busy and the brood nest open, but its still not 50% ..   25 to 30% a year replacement, and I have as yet experienced no problems with build up in the wax that I am aware of.
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2014, 03:11:05 am »
If you're after the honey then replacing 50% is quite much I guess, but for me bees are a hobby (I wonder how long it will stay that way lol) and any honey harvested is just a nice bonus :)

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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2014, 12:51:39 pm »
Same with me vosse  :)  I really only want two hives, three is pushing it, and this year has been a challenge. Because of the swarm instinct with my bees, hubby and I are now discussing either requeening to slow down the swarm instinct, or prepare to make sellable nucs. Hubby thinks we have a great prolific set of genes here and doesn't want to disturb it. I would agree. However, it's ironic how he is off to work on the days that the swarms happen so I'm the one climbing the banks and trees in my jammies retrieving the swarms. I'm going to ask the bees to hold off on another swarm for when he has a day off  :D
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2014, 03:54:55 pm »
for me bees are a hobby (I wonder how long it will stay that way lol)

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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2014, 10:37:33 pm »
Today! a blissfully peaceful day with the bees, they were busy and happy and so was I, got my taxes done. Okay Girls! Let's Play Ball!
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2014, 11:04:42 pm »
Okay Girls! Let's Play Ball!

     :o    >:(  Apparently SOMEONE hasnt had enough running about in their jammies!!
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2014, 11:08:26 pm »
At this point I'm keeping the jammies by the back door facing the hives :D
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2014, 11:13:39 pm »
LOL
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2014, 05:02:08 pm »
Sat by the hives today and observed pollen going into the mother hive and the first swarm hive, a good sign. The second cast hive isn't doing much, bees coming and going, no pollen coming in.
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2014, 06:50:36 pm »
that is to be expected buy the time they have drawn some comb, the queen mates and starts to lay, and eggs get to day 3 and hatch so the need pollen. No pollen coming in a week from now and you could have a problem
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2014, 07:13:28 pm »
Thanks Apis, I'm marking my calendar. After next week, and I don't have drawn comb or eggs, what should I do?
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Re: Jen's Continuing Swarm Saga
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2014, 07:18:03 pm »
Look really hard for a queen and if non are found combine it with the weakest if they need the bees if not combine with the strongest and give them 3 weeks and split some nucs off.
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