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Laying workers
« on: August 25, 2014, 11:54:07 am »
Noticed yesterday one of my swarms I caught a month ago went queenless and now has a laying worker.  Whats odd to me is that I found supersedure cells and 1 swarm cell that has a larvae but not closed yet.  Most of my frames are empty and can see eggs laid on the side of the cell walls and many that have multiple eggs.  They are still in 1 deep.  Many bees.  I know it is late in the year to introduce uncapped frames so they can make a queen.  I've read about shaking the hive in front of other hives and divy up frames.  I've have other beeks tell me to do the newspaper trick and combine to another hive.  I've tried that last year on a hive and it basically wiped out 2 hives.

 So, my questions are:

Can I combine using newspaper to a weaker hive in the hope to get them built up before winter?
Should I just shake out? 
With frames full of multiple eggs and will be drones should i divy out?  Freeze first?
 
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Re: Laying workers
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 12:24:25 pm »
I prefer shaking them out 10 feet in front of other hives and removing the hive from the area. I have never tried divying the frames. If there were lots of pollen or honey, I would try it. The brood frames are all drone, so no need to try and save.
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Re: Laying workers
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 12:32:48 pm »
Thanks Iddee.  So, what happens to the nurse bees?  I figure the others will eventually migrate to other hives.  What should I do with the frames?
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Re: Laying workers
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 12:50:38 pm »
They should all migrate to other hives.

Honey and pollen frames can be given to other hives. Brood frames, doesn't matter. Put in other hives, lay in sun until dead, freeze, whatever you want.
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Re: Laying workers
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 12:52:37 pm »
I freeze the brood frames of laying workers, then put them back into another hive for clean up.  :)
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Re: Laying workers
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 03:56:18 pm »
Work has been crazy.  A couple days ago I double check this hive before knocking them in the grass.  Went looking for the queen.  Still no queen.  Hive was super calm.  No smoke used.  I went through every frame looking into the cells and what I found through out the hive was no eggs.  None on the side walls and no multiple eggs like I clearly saw when I first posted.  Whats going on?  I have not dumped this hive yet.  Need help!
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Re: Laying workers
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2014, 04:09:46 pm »
If you wait 3 more weeks you will likely have eggs. 3 weeks after that, new bees. Can you pull a hive like that through the winter in Indiana?

I would shake them out.
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