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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2014, 09:06:31 pm »
Darn, he's done killed the argument. :P
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2014, 09:12:46 pm »
Shucks! Just when I was gettin' my dukes up!

Scott- ""I get a lot of resistance when saying I wish I had started with foundation-less. Most saying that it will ruin a beginning beekeeper..   I suppose there is some merit to that.""

That's why and I strongly suggested to shinjak to stay close with you, and the others that are going foundationless for mentor help ~ So that more beginners can be successful at foundation-less. just sayin
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2014, 09:35:54 pm »
Thanks for the encouragement Jen. Scott, I will go buy some rubber bands tomorrow in anticipation of any boo boos (btw, great advice). I will also keep a bread knife handy to cut the comb. I was given advice by a local beek to make sure my hives are level, so I guess I will be finding out the results of the accuracy of my level the next time I crack open the hives.
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2014, 09:41:33 pm »
  I will certainly try to help...
   Iddee, I had quite a bit more lined out.. Like.. I have fixed ten TIMES the amount of bad foundation that i have Foundation-less.. of course, that IS no lie, so long as I leave out the fact I have worked with foundation ten times longer..  :P
   But there comes a time when every man must stand down.  When faced by Blue and his brothers, OR the head admin who carries a big hammer..      ;D

   Shinjack;
   Level is good.  Slight deviation wont hurt.. a quarter inch from one side to the other, and front to back doesnt matter, the hive should be tilted a bit forward to let moisture run out..  Feel free to check my website under the frames section in do it yourself I have a section on making frames, and about half way down Is the section on using foundation-less.. as ALWAYS, read, and adapt to suit how you want to keep bees.
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2014, 10:15:43 pm »
I'm not afraid of the head admins hammer, just a kisshug patpatpat melts him like butter ~ ya otta try it sometime  :D
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2014, 10:41:44 pm »
ummm...  ONLY if he isnt close ......
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2014, 10:59:07 pm »
NO, NO, NO. It only works with certain ones. He's not one of them. In fact, no HE is the right type.  :o  :o  :o
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2014, 11:01:49 pm »
How deep did you say that Lake was Iddee?
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2014, 11:04:19 pm »
I put the last swarm I caught on foundationless frames. ITs a lot more work and I wouldnt recommend it for a beginner. Im have problems enough for a 10 year veteran keeping bees
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2014, 11:43:35 pm »
Good Gravy ~ rolling eyes ~
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2014, 12:09:10 am »
I'm half and half.
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2014, 03:35:25 pm »
Quote from: alfredw on May 14, 2014, 08:45:12 pm
I do mostly foundationless.

Yes welcome to the forum and contributing to the discussions.
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2014, 04:11:59 pm »
Quote from: LazyBkpr on May 15, 2014, 08:58:56 pm
hehe, I was actually pushing him a bit trying to get him to say more. I do owe him you know.

   I will refer back to what I have on my website..   

    I get a lot of resistance when saying I wish I had started with foundation-less. Most saying that it will ruin a beginning beekeeper..
   I suppose there is some merit to that.

   http://outyard.weebly.com/frames.html

    So despite all the arguing, I do agree.... with ALMOST all of what he says     ;D

On LazyBkpr website he has a picture of a beautiful drawn partially filled frame with nectar
http://outyard.weebly.com/uploads/2/5/5/8/25581043/773177_orig.jpg
With newly drawn frames and not providing any cross wiring to support the wax I think you may find that when you use your new radial extractor on these frames you may have an issue with them collapsing as the bees do not readily attach the comb to the bottom of the frame but like to leave a bee space walk way.
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2014, 09:16:04 pm »
With each inspection the frames get rotated over one frame. I pull the edge frame, move each frame over as it is inspected, and put the edge frame in on the other side. As the frames become "primary" or in the middle of the hive they usually finish filling them in.. Or at least attach them in several places.
   These are brood frames, so attaching is less important..  however, With the honey frames - with the radial extractor I have used in the past, it is a matter of being a bit careful and NOT turning it up to wow until some of the honey has been spun out, then increasing the speed..   Yes, turning it "on" with a full frame almost guarantees a blow out. I only lost two frames last year, hopefully I lose no more this year...  The wife prefers they all blow out so I can melt them down for wax...   
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Re: Who Goes Foundationless On This Forum
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2014, 03:00:21 am »
I can see her point fresh wax is lighter in color than wax a few years older and I bet you couldn't geve her the wax from the old brood combs.
Where I find i have the most problem is if some of the honey is granulated in the comb.

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