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Offline ledifni

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African bees are terrifying
« on: October 03, 2014, 03:01:04 pm »
I gotta give Kenyan beekeepers props for their guts.  Watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPoDgrbZakk

Around 5:40 they harvest the honey and the bees are NOT friendly.  By the end of it their gloves are solidly covered in stingers...I can't imagine how many dead bees that equates to.  Not to mention all the bees they must have crushed moving all that equipment as fast as they can.

I'm glad my bees are nice and friendly :)  Even when I open up the hive they just buzz and complain a little and then wait for me to go away.

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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 10:26:10 pm »
American africanized bees are NOT that bad in my experience, maybe 50 stingers in each glove, and you do duct tape. When one of my hives gets a bit hot it gets a new queen fairly soon.

I did kill an african/cordovan queen whose offspring were chasing me around the yard.  She actually probably was the daughter of the queen of the first hive I bought and had delivered, oh my was I dumb...  They were so hot when they took off in a swarm 2 months after the hive was delivered, I let them go. They got hungry and came back, killed my 2nd hive, and invaded my garden the next year...

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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2014, 02:09:57 pm »
Oh my!  Those bees are scary! :o

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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2014, 03:39:50 pm »
Reminds me of what I went through in my first years of beekeepping---before I changed all my wild queens to Italians.
I started off by collecting wild swarms (1972), and wild is an understatement.  If I hadn't been so enthusiastic in those days, I wouldn't be writing in this forum today. Some of the adventures I had were unbelieveable. 

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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2014, 03:42:55 pm »
Hi Ef ~ Well I would love to hear some of those stories and I'm more than sure everyone else would love that as well  ;)
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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2014, 11:21:33 pm »
"Some of the adventures I had were unbelieveable."

would like to hear about some of those adventures ef!  and not to hijack this thread but i have no experience with AHB, and i don't envy the southern keeps on this.  i did keep some of what we called  german black bees, and occasional swarms until i think they all died out from the mites.  those bees were some good productive bees, very cold hardy and very aggressive against hive invaders, ie other insects/pests, but they sure could be temperamental and snarky.  i have read posts or comments across the net about russian bees and how aggressive they are........shoot, russians are a breeze.....

don't envy those of you in southern climates who may wind up with AHB genetics in your hives or have to be conscientious and diligent about hive management to keep these genetics out. after reading crackers experience with this.....yikes!!!!
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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2014, 06:30:03 am »
Jen:  ....would love to hear some of those stories
Riverbee: ...would like to hear about some of those adventures
I guess I walked into that with my eyes open.....

So. briefly...
In my very early days as a beek, I took a course in Bee biology and bee hive management in the department of Agriculture of the Hebrew University.  Had very good relations with the professor who taught the course and the head bee advisor of the department of agriculture. I was the only student in the class who haad already started keeping bees, all the others were preparing in advance.
I found one of my hives to be particuarly unmanageable, but from a lack of experience I didn't know if I was at fault, doing something wrong, or perhaps this was what to expect.  I called the chief advisor and he, intent on doing me a favor, decided to call the professor to come with him as he examined my problematic hive.
We went together and I was given a lecture on the importance of properly smoking a hive, particularly a difficult one.  At the hive, they intended to show me how a proper smoking could calm the "wildest" of the wild, and intended to show me how they could calmly examine the properly prepared bees barehandedly.
Who was I, a novice, to warn the "big boys" that they were in for a surprise.
After a "normal" smoking, they started to open the hive and the bees started to rush out.  The lid was returned and the smoke was poured on---but really poured on. 
I was informed that this excessive smoking would intimidate the hive and they would become docile and totally manageable.  Okay--I'm always willing to learn.

When the smoke was so thick that it was coming out of every minute crack,  they decided to open up.  WELL, the bees didn't rush out---THEY POURED OUT IN WILD FURIOUS WAVES, SPILLING ALL OVER THE HIVE AND QUICKLY TAKING WING AT ANYTHING NEARBY.  I, the student, was gloved, the experts weren't.  The attack was viscious and the two sets of bare hands were quickly in receipt of multiple stings and quickly stuck into  pockets as the two expert instructors rapidly moved out of immediate range.
Of course, they couldn't give up in the face of a student so they quickly gloved up and returned.  I stood by and watched as they went through the frames, all the time under attack.  I can't say how many stings they received or how many stingers were left in our bee suits and gloves, but they were numerous.
After the hive was put back together and we had moved away to a safe distance, I was given a summary of the lesson---yes, I had described the hive properly---and the queen should be replaced as soon as possible.

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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2014, 12:06:38 pm »
Before I got into beekeeping, this is how I envisioned it would be. I wanted no part of it!

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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 12:30:16 pm »
That was a time when the student became the professor, you standing back and suited up knowing that they're going to get it...

   Good Story! I love stories  :)
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Re: African bees are terrifying
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2014, 11:04:18 pm »
LOL! ef, i so much enjoyed reading this, thank you! 

so very true! what we think we know about bees, irregardless of our education or experience, the bees sometimes teach us otherwise and make us look totally foolish! you were keen enough to figure out there was a problem and i am guessing or thinking your professors were somewhat humbled?
the bees will humble us in short order!...... :D

great story, much enjoyed, and mostly a story about you and bees, thank you!

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