I made a bad mistake while using the Cloake Board Method

[capt44]

I had raise a batch of queens in my hive setup as a cloake board.
So I closed off the excuder and put some cell bars in to get the cell cups polished.
I grafted and they drew out the cells and capped them off.
Out of 68 cells I had 65 take.
Day before yesterday I pulled one frame of 28 cells and placed them in the incubator.
Today I went out to get the other 2 cell bars and every queen cell had the side tore out and were empty.
I checked and I had a frame of brood and they had pulled out a queen cell.
That critter went and killed every queen cell on those cell bars, all 37 of them.
Be sure and not leave any brood in the top box.

[iddee]

I put all the brood in the top box, but do it with each graft, and harvest the wild queen cells as soon as I find them. It's usually the second graft that the rogue queen emerges in.

[LazyBkpr]

OUCH that hurts..  I have 22 cells in right now  I went through every frame, but the thought is always there.. what If i missed one....

[capt44]

Yep that was the 2nd batch.
Tomorrow if it's not raining I'm going to setup another hive using the cloake board method.
I'll put in 3 frames of cells for the bees to polish.
Monday I will graft.
Also Monday I'm going to the hive that I was using as a cloake board and tear it apart and find the queens then pinch their heads and requeen Tuesday.
That hive is meaner'n than who thought it.
I was grafting from another gentle hive and letting this mean hive raise them out.

[Yankee11]

So, you found a queen cell above cloak board did ya?

[iddee]

I am using the cloake board between 2 deeps. Yesterday, I went into the bottom deep and caught the queen. I then reversed the deeps, putting the brood in the top and the used cell starting deep on bottom, then released the queen into the NOW bottom deep, installed the closure board, waited 2 hours, and grafted into the top deep with all the brood. Added a trickle feeder and will check them next week for wild cells.

[capt44]

I do just the opposite.
I also use two deeps with the cloake board between them.
I put at least one frame of brood in the top box and let the top box fill up with bees.
I put my cell bars with empty cell cups for the bees to polish.
The very next day I graft and place the cell bars with grafts in the top box.
24 hours later I check to see how many are accepted and remove the cloake board insert to make the top box a queen rite finishing hive.
They will cap the brood off in 6-7 days.
I wait 4 more days before moving them (it is a critical development stage)
From the time the cell is capped to emerging queens is around 7 days.
I quit putting sugar syrup on top because the bees were drawing out too much burr comb.
Later when when the flow slows I will use sugar syrup.
But when I set up the cloake board I start using it right then, I don't wait a couple of day for the top box will fill up fast.
Once I remove the insert the bees can start tending to the queen and nurse bees in the lower box.
I have very good results doing this.

[iddee]

I don't actually feed them. I trickle feed. 3 small holes in the lid of the jar. Just enough for them to know something is coming in. I also have a frame of foundation next to my grafted frame, so they draw it and not burr comb on my graft. Otherwise, about the same as you.