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Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« on: September 07, 2015, 08:32:26 pm »
Recently I went and captured a swarm. During the extraction process, a fair amount of dirt, leaves and twigs fell into the box. I moved the bees into a clean box, and tipped them all out of the messy one. Pecuilarly, they weren't eager to move into the new hive. I thought the bees were supposed to all follow after their queen, but instead, they gathered into clusters where ever they happened to be placed. There were about five clusters of bees, all piled on each other.

I tried to retrieve my cloth which I used in the extraction, and there were numerous bees on it that were particularly passive and immobile. I eventually thought that perhaps they needed honey for some energy, so I gathered half a dozen jar lids and filled them with honey, and put it near the bee clusters. Wanting to motivate them to move under shelter, I got a branch and put a tarp over it, and placed most of the honey underneath. They ate the honey fairly fast, but many bees stayed on top of the tarp and were rained on. I also poured honey into their hive, to encourage them to go into it, which was unsuccessful. Realising that the bees weren't going to move, I picked up the bees that I could and put them in the hive, and did my best to provide shelter for the less mobile ones. A few days later, many of the bees died, including all the bees in the old box with the dirt.

I don't know why they died. I think I must have done something wrong, but I'm really not sure what. I estimate I've lost 60% of the bees. Any idea on why this happened? Should have I provided the bees with sugar/honey as soon as I collected them? Should have I left them in the box with all the dirt in it? Could it be that the queen died, which is the reason the bees didn't follow after her?

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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2015, 08:39:25 pm »
Hi omnimirage, and  :welcome:
Unfortunately I'm not quite sure what may have happened. I almost question if indeed, something happened to the queen.
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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2015, 09:05:37 pm »
omnimirage, WELCOME to the forum!

if you would please describe where you took the bees from........also, is it possible they were sprayed?
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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2015, 09:07:19 pm »
Should I leave the bees alone, or should I go open up the hive and try to find the queen? Could it be a good idea to find a frame that has eggs in it from another hive that I believe is disease free, and give it to this hive?

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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2015, 09:08:20 pm »
I'm 99% sure the queen is missing. Also, it sounds like they had been sprayed or left their hive because of a pesticide poisoning. If they were healthy and queenrite, they would have clustered with her.
Yes, check it ASAP. Add a frame of eggs and one of honey if you have them.
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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2015, 09:13:16 pm »
I'm not sure how to check the hive for the queen. Should I pull it apart and look everywhere for her? Or should I just give them some eggs?

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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2015, 09:40:48 pm »
Give them some eggs, and food. Then check in 48 hours. If no queen, they should have started queen cells.
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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2015, 06:32:57 am »
The bees are slowing drawing comb and filling it with honey. I saw no queen activity, though the comb is probably too undeveloped for her to lay eggs in it. I went to my other hives to find some eggs to give to the hive, in case the queen died, and after an hour I couldn't find any eggs, only sealed brood and larvae. I can go to another site to check, but my experience was quite disheartening and I'm wondering if it's worth it. I read that the eggs need to be less than three days old for them to make a queen out of it. Many bees were flying around a few days after catching the hive. They seemed more disorganised than they usually are; they flew around in circles and climbed up the walls, didn't seem to venture out much.

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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2015, 07:27:45 am »
Day 1. Egg laid.
Day 2. still egg
Day 3. becomes a larva...best for queen
Day 4. still makes a good queen
Day 5. Will make a queen, but questionable.
Day 6. Too Late..........

It's the larva that need to be less than 3 days old, not the egg.
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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2015, 08:17:10 am »
How can I tell if the larvae is young enough to rear a queen?

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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2015, 08:31:44 am »
Wait 2 days and look for queen cells. They will have started them if they have the right age.
To move from another hive, cells with royal jelly, but the larva is too small to see easily.
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Re: Why did the bees die after swarm extraction?
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2015, 09:16:37 am »
omnimirage welcome, being from Australia the time of your season would be like our early march.
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