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Offline efmesch

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Read this article and you'll have reason to believe the story isn't so clear cut.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/162207/20160601/bees-get-highest-concentration-of-pesticides-from-homes.htm

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Re: Weve been lead to think that farmers were the bad guys.....
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2016, 09:38:26 pm »
thanks for the article ef..........
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Re: Weve been lead to think that farmers were the bad guys.....
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2016, 10:36:21 pm »
Never a clear answer and "the" answer varies from one place to another.  Homeowners are poorly trained in the use and application plus the cost to anyone individual is minimal so there are over applications, off-label uses, etc.  Farmers do get a bad wrap but the truth is that they have very few options because the large seed/pesticide companies don't offer them many choices plus there is a strong social side to it all with farmers in one area all using about the same methods, etc.  Farmers are generally better trained (here they have to be certified to use certain chemicals) and the price hits their bottom line so they are less likely to overapply, etc.  The issue is how much of a given landscape is in the various cover types--be it backyards, farmed fields, or whatever.  I never worry about my bees foraging on corn or even soybeans because my locations have better choices for them.  In less desirable spots where good bee forage is limiting, the bees do forage on corn and other low quality or even contaminated flowers because that's about all they have during dearth periods.  In my neck of the woods, farmed fields are the dominant cover type and backyards (and sadly conservation lands) are only a minute portion of what is available.  The ratios will obviously change depending on geographic location.  Bottonline is that there are many positive things that homeowners can do but education is needed to facilitate that change.  Change in the ag community is difficult and far more complicated but for different reasons, mostly economic ones that rarely have positive conservation outcomes.
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Re: Weve been lead to think that farmers were the bad guys.....
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2016, 08:26:06 am »
Think of all the hobbyist beekeepers that have hives in urban areas.  The numbers are growing. 
I am concerned that the zika virus scare will cause people to resort to sprays and fog treatments that could be avoided.
Thanks for posting, ef!

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Re: Weve been lead to think that farmers were the bad guys.....
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2016, 09:14:07 am »
Back in the 80,s there were studies being done on honey and pollen and the testing for chemicals and pesticides that were found in it. They could find very little contamination in the honey, they suspected that the bees were filtering it out as they processed the raw nectar into honey. But what they found was like the report lots of chemicals in the pollen. But what they also discovered was that the toxins were not all coming from poisons applied to the flowers but also from the contaminated ground\environment, the plants were growing in.
The study was then expanded and used as a way to do environmental testing of areas to determine what contaminants are in a area. By collecting and testing bee pollen they were able to sample a large area as the bees were covering large areas when foraging. In the process they are getting contaminants not only from direct applied but from past contaminated ground, water, air pollution, Although we can effect the future the past will continue to haunt us for same time to come. Kind of scary!!!
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Re: Weve been lead to think that farmers were the bad guys.....
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2016, 10:19:26 am »
Chips quote below sums it up in a nut shell:

"Bottonline is that there are many positive things that homeowners can do but education is needed to facilitate that change.  Change in the ag community is difficult and far more complicated but for different reasons, mostly economic ones that rarely have positive conservation outcomes."

I live in a farm/ranch community.  Most of our ag people have an applicator's license and handle chemicals with proper care.  My last home was in an urban setting, and I couldn't believe how many toxins the city dwellers sprayed and spread on their yards and gardens.  The local farmers do not grow corn and soy beans.  The only corn grown locally is sweet corn in gardens. 

If the research summarized in this article is correct, then the ag folks may not share as much blame as they are credited with.  Who knows?

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Re: Weve been lead to think that farmers were the bad guys.....
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2016, 07:11:08 am »
thanks for the link ef.  I think it is now only really sinking into some folks thick skulls that ag producers may not be the primary case of pesticides, fungicides and herbicides found in honey bee hives.  several years ago I participated in the national honey bee health initiative and by doing so they fed me back information of what was in my own hives plus what was collectively in hives across the US.  the list was double spaced and several pages long.  it did kind of make you wonder how the honeybee survives at all considering the toxic brew of stuff they must contend with.  I shall also mention here that beekeepers themselves did get a free pass since some of the highest level of certain compounds were those applied by bee keepers to confront varroa.