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Re. Dearth
« on: August 22, 2016, 05:44:06 pm »
This is the 2nd  10 deep of Wayne's the weaker hive that didn't draw a med.super , do I pull these , was running 9 frames slipped in a extra frame(full foundation no comb) ?  She was laying in two center frames not full though size of softball capped and 4,5 day larvae?

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2016, 05:50:16 pm »
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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2016, 05:53:28 pm »
I noticed there was drone cells still in bottom , two center frames had worker cells .

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2016, 06:37:41 pm »
I'm assuming that is sugar water capped ??

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 12:39:43 am »
okay mikey, hope i get this right.........

you are running 9 frames in a 10 frame box, and you are in a dearth.........those frames have capped whatever in them, so i wouldn't pull them out.  meaning there is feed for them in those frames, sugar water or not......

i guess i am not clear on your question and i should be asking you what you want to achieve? 
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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 05:20:24 am »
Was just worried about honey bound.

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 06:06:31 am »
You could always just pull a couple of frames and replace them with foundation if you are concerned, Save them, because as you mention, they are in a dearth right now.
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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 07:31:45 am »
That's what I was trying to ask. If I could pull 1 or 2 of the completely filled with sugar water. I would need to freeze them rite ?

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2016, 07:38:51 am »
And if I did pull 2 , would they draw comb on new foundations with out feeding ?

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2016, 07:48:07 am »
Will they draw comb without feeding?  Yes, if there is a good flow.  They need good forage to build comb.  If you are in a dearth, they will build very little comb.

Notice the word "if."  My bees are in a coastal grass field with zero forage.  They have to travel a couple of hundred yards to find forage.  This spring was not good in our area and I thought the bees were on poor rations.  They just built comb like there was no tomorrow, and make honey the same way.  I couldn't see any forage around my farm, and finally decided the bees must be foraging in town, a distance of over one mile.  I didn't think they could build up that fast carrying nectar and pollen that distance.  My point is, you may not be in the dearth you may think you are. 

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2016, 08:10:20 am »
lazy shooter,  I might not be in that bad of a dearth, just going with what I've been told.
How can I know for sure ( is there a way to tell)

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2016, 08:59:02 am »
lazy shooter,  I might not be in that bad of a dearth, just going with what I've been told.
How can I know for sure ( is there a way to tell)
When you place frames with new foundation back in the hive, bees will only build comb during a flow (or, if they are taking your sugar syrup) and when they need the space.  Look for white wax on foundation and tacked onto the ends of drawn cells. 

New, white wax tells you there is a flow on.  No matter how small the flow is, nectar or sugar syrup, white wax tells you a flow is on.  The first white wax in spring is a welcome sign that a spring flow is on, keep an eye out for the first appearance of that white wax, swarm season is around the corner.

If your brood nest needs to be a little larger, you can place the new frames with foundation on each side of the brood nest.  This way, bees will build comb on the foundation, ("draw it out"), and use the new cells for whatever purpose they need.... when they need it.  This placement of empty frames on the sides of the brood nest is called, "Expanding the brood nest." In this way, space is provided for the queen to lay if the brood nest is getting honey bound. Done early enough in the spring cycle it can delay, sometimes prevent swarming.

Your frames full of honey can be frozen to kill eggs and larvae, stored properly, and used during winter if needed, or, used to make up NUCs in spring.  If the frames are full of honey and are not needed for winter food or NUCs, you can extract them in spring.  Lots of ways to manage your bees.   HTH  :)
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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2016, 03:18:31 pm »
Mikey I'm in eastern NC my bees have been outta the dearth for 2 weeks now. Lots of nectar coming back. This time of year in NC you will see a almost a lag in the brood cycle, they will hold the queen back and get a couple frames hatched out then they let her pack them frames with worker brood. I believe this is for the fall flow and to overwinter. I also have a Wayne's queen, you can tell a flow when tremendous amount of bees are coming n going also new comb will be put up at an alarming rate GL -j


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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2016, 04:13:03 pm »
Mikey, I can see when a flow is happening at a certain time of day. That is around 4-5 oclock. The sun hits the bees just right where I can see all their golden light bodies in the air. My bee come and go at a steady rate, but when there is a flow on they are zooming in and out, almost crashing into each other at the entrance of the hive. My flows can last 2 weeks or sometimes just a day.
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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2016, 06:52:30 pm »
Thanks everyone ,   I'm thinking now the bees are doing what the bees need to do , I'm not worried about weak queen just no room.
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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 07:58:21 am »
Mikey I'm in eastern NC my bees have been outta the dearth for 2 weeks now. Lots of nectar coming back. This time of year in NC you will see a almost a lag in the brood cycle, they will hold the queen back and get a couple frames hatched out then they let her pack them frames with worker brood. I believe this is for the fall flow and to overwinter. I also have a Wayne's queen, you can tell a flow when tremendous amount of bees are coming n going also new comb will be put up at an alarming rate GL -j


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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2016, 07:52:49 am »
Tnx Bakersdozen glad to be here! Mikey keep us updated!


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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2016, 09:37:56 am »
Welcome Jaimes.

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Re: Re. Dearth
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2016, 05:01:07 pm »
Just got home from McDowell county , bees started bring in orange pollen on Tues.  again they slowed down for about a week, wifey  said they're bringing it in like crazy, I'm thinking its crape myrtle,  I'll go take a look see in a bit, oh BTW jaimes welcome to a great site.