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Over Feeding in the Fall
« on: October 25, 2017, 12:02:40 pm »
Hi everyone,
This is my second winter being a beekeeper.  Last Fall I was late feeding the bees and this year I'm the opposite.  I've been feeding my hive since mid/late September and with the nice weather, they've been going through the sugar syrup like it's nobodies business.  They will sometime drink a litre of syrup per day.  I was curious to see how much stores they had so I opened the hive.  Once I took a look inside I became worried because I couldn't see any brood.  Did I overfeed the hive and am I in trouble?
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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2017, 12:07:50 pm »
I think the title should read 'Over feeding in the Fall'.  Oh well.....

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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2017, 02:15:03 pm »
Hey Joey. Most of the hives have stopped raising brood about now. You may find some capped brood but very little larvae or eggs. With everything you've fed, if there was any brood it was probably pushed down into the bottom deep.
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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2017, 08:15:33 pm »
i've several hives that the top box is full of honey & the bottom box is full of brood.

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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2017, 11:51:02 pm »
hey joey,

what perry said. i live in a northern climate and have russkies. my queens tapered/stopped laying long ago. we still had some blooms coming on or the tail end, so the bees were busy bringing it in and packing it away for winter stores. very little brood and drones being dragged out well over a month ago.  you really can't overfeed a hive this time of year or earlier for winter prep. the bees are and have been preparing for winter months. the more stores they have the better. i wouldn't feed any more sugar syrup at this time of year in my climate.

are they or have they stored the syrup? what is in your bottom deep and second deep?

ps, your thread title was renamed, and thanks for posting!
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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2017, 07:50:00 am »
river- what are your temps these days?  I thought you could feed until it got down into the 40's & stayed there. I usually feed until they quit taking it.

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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2017, 11:34:35 am »
Climates sure do vary...I still have three queen cells hatching this week.  Fingers crossed.  :)
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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2017, 12:44:10 am »
"river- what are your temps these days?  I thought you could feed until it got down into the 40's & stayed there. I usually feed until they quit taking it."

freezing the you know what cold!............... :D
we took a nose dive since last week or so rober, but unusual, higher than normal temps, up and down. we have been in the 30's with night temps in the 20's and the frosts. it's been snowing here since last evening, rain and snow mix. my usual cut off date for feeding any syrup is typically about october 11, and typically don't feed syrup when daytime temps drop below about 55 df, nights can get really cold here. i suppose i have skated by feeding at 5o df during the daytime.

past years, and this year was warmer than average. i didn't have to feed this year. depends i guess on how you feed syrup? i use one gallon or two gallon pails. even with weather at 40 degrees, the syrup gets cold (even in the 50's). if you are using quarts and warming the syrup up they will probably take it if need be? i have insulated one gallon pails in the past when night time temps dip down when we have 50 or upper 50's or even 60's during the day. our river valley sure can get damp and cold in a hurry sometimes.  we spent a night on the river one evening just recently; camping out, grilling dinner, campfire, it was a beautiful day and evening, probably mid 60's. my bees were flying and nice to see the bottom board busy with activity. that night a chill and a deep fog rolled in on the river.........a temp gauge read 32 degrees f and everything was covered in a heavy moisture.

4 things i don't care for..........shoes, socks, long pants/jeans and heavy jackets.........guess i live in the wrong state. my bees are hardier than i am!........... :D

"Climates sure do vary...I still have three queen cells hatching this week.  Fingers crossed.  :)"

they sure do lee, don't rub it in......... :D i won't see any queen cells til next spring!
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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2017, 07:00:39 am »
I use division board feeders. being in the hive the syrup stays warmer. If I had the time to keep them full most hives would be taking a feeder ( gallon ) per day.

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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2017, 05:39:01 pm »
We have set some records for warm temps over the last week and it is getting worrisome that the stores are being depleted early.
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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2017, 11:07:08 pm »
rober, division board feeders would not be a good choice for me...........the division board takes up a frame the bees can fill with late summer honey and if need be syrup is fed until too cold, and then the emergency feed on with shims.

perry, just checked/hefted and hives that were very heavy 2 weeks ago are not with late warm temps. just placed shims on today with sugar bricks, it was only 38 d F but had to do it. was concerned on the same.
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Re: Over Feeding in the Fall
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2017, 08:15:24 am »
at times when they are taking a lot of syrup at my out yards i'll add an empty box & put several board feeders in it. this saves on trips.
it will soon be time to add shims & sugar blocks here too.