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Re: feeding bees
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2014, 07:48:26 pm »
Hey 40- Have ya tried youtube? there are several recipes there.
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Re: feeding bees
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2014, 01:30:17 am »
Two companies sell this same product. The ingredients don't say what kind of protein it is. I hope it's not pollen, cause we're not supposed to feed pollen in the dead of winter. Does anyone know???

Go to one of those fancy organic food stores where they sell organic soybean flour.  Get a bag,wet a pinch of it, and give it a good sniff to get the scent.  Then take a good sniff of your winter pollen patty, or a sniff of the mega bee, super bee, ultra proven mr. universe bee, etc and see what it smells alike.  You'll find that soybean flour is the main ingrediant.  Fiber is a nice way to sell you powdered/ground plant stocks or sawdust as filler.  Companies that market livestock(mooo) feed supplements do the same thing.  I know the scent of ground soybean, we used to feed it to milk cows.  I've shoveled plenty of the stuff to know the scent.

Don't let them get you with the "Meeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" part.  It's all marketing mam.
(aka also known as constructive criticism) O:-)  Love it or hate it, it's the truth.

Beekeeping protein supplements/pollen substitutes use the term "fiber".  Live stock supplements are clearly labeled "crude fiber".  If the pollen substitute makers labeled the bagged goods "crude fiber", folks would google it and find reference to cow-livestock-beef food supplements which are an 1/8" of the price of the bee goods. 

Pure granulated food grade sugar is the best thing for the bees to get them started working.  Honey of course is more ideal if you know where it came from.  Another trick is to get a big glob of pollen filled cappings and make a feeder board for the top of the hive.

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Bobs Red Mill Brand, you can find it in most box/grocery stores.  Use it like flour to make bread dough.  Just use soybean flour & honey to make a big thick blob of dough.  The smell of the honey makes the bees gobble it up like Burl Ives on a bologna sandwich singing "Big Rock Candy Mountain".  If you don't know the song, look it up on you tube.  I promise you that if you're a living human being, you'll laugh.  Now read down below very carefully:

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B. [1] Roughages or Dry forages and roughages
1) All forages and roughages cut & cured, and other products with more than 18%
crude fiber or containing more than 35% cell wall (dry basis). Usually low in net
energy per unit weight because of the high cell-wall content.
2) Carbonaceous roughages (low protein) - Straws, Stalks, Weathered grass, etc.
3) Proteinaceous roughages - Legume hays, grass/legume hays, etc.
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What's the IFN number on the bag of Mega-Bee?

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Re: feeding bees
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2014, 07:15:54 am »
Thinking we may have to do some feeding in the near future.  We are thinking about making some fondant, does anyone have a recipe for a small quantity as we only have two hives to feed.  Thanks



I buy mine from BMS Distributors in New Glasgow, but it's $64 for 50lbs. If I get any soon, check with me and you can get some.
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Re: feeding bees
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2014, 02:50:05 pm »
I buy mine from BMS Distributors in New Glasgow, but it's $64 for 50lbs. If I get any soon, check with me and you can get some.

You should sell some honey next year to a local bakery & make some group effort purchases to save on the sugar bill.  We're paying around 25- 50 cents for granulated sugar to make candy boards or syrup.  I grumble if i have to pay more than 20 bucks for a 50 lb sack.

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Re: feeding bees
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2014, 06:51:19 am »
the bee keeper dictionary...  did it ever occur to anyone that a bee keepers common use of word can sometimes sound pretty archaic (you know kind of like Iddee and his tractors.... old that is ;D)

an iddee snip...
Use thin syrup and pollen sub to get the queen to lay.

Use thick syrup and solid food to give the bees food storage.

tecumseh... the first is sometimes called 'stimulative feeding'... that is you are feeding the hive to encourage brood production or the future population of the hive.  thicker feeds are fed to add weight to the hives and not so much brood rearing (although it appears to me some brood rearing is still encourage... but not so much as with thinner feeds).

you may run across similar words/concepts in regards to pollon like patties.  the older text referred to these as either 'pollen supplements' or 'pollen substitutes' < one just adds a bit of carbohydrate to the hive and the other is when there was no pollen available to a hive.  you should expect the formulation of the two to be quite different.

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Re: feeding bees
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2014, 07:05:39 am »
a snip...
Don't let them get you with the "Meeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" part.  It's all marketing man

tecumseh..
yep... couldn't have said it better myself.  and next there will be EXTRA MEGA Bee and then ULTIMATE MEGA Bee and then....  really just words made up to sell you a lot of stuff that 'the girls' cannot use anyway and quite commonly a lot of plain sugar sold at a large price.

like any food you might eat... read the contents on the label... didn't your momma teach you to do that?

soyflour is according to the tag on the bulk product a great deal of the content of these patties just as keeperofthebees suggest.  never had though of the smell test but that certainly sounds right to me....  if you are using soyflour (I think I have used the same brand keeper referenced) you want to make certain you use defatted soy flour and not the kind you commonly feed to livestock.