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tracheal mite treatments
« on: February 10, 2025, 11:40:49 am »
my daughter took over my hives. she just got a report from the USDA bee lab saying that her bees have tracheal mites. i guess i've been lucky since as to my knowledge i've never had an infestation. i've read that menthol is the best treatment & that oxalic acid can help by killing adult mites. by that wording i'm guessing that like varrora mites the acid will not kill mites in infected bees. menthol requires 70* temps to work. even if not ideal can it help at winter temps??

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Re: tracheal mite treatments
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2025, 06:09:01 pm »
Here’s a recipe for grease patties:

    1-1/2 pounds of solid vegetable shortening (such as Crisco)

    4 pounds of granulated sugar

    1/2 pound honey

Mix all these ingredients together until smooth. Form into about a dozen hamburger-size patties. Unused patties may be stored in a resealable plastic food bag and kept frozen until ready to use.
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Re: tracheal mite treatments
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2025, 03:24:32 pm »
idee- lay the right on the frames??

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2025, 05:44:13 pm »
Yes. Lay 1 or 2 on top the brood frames. Make them thin enough to go between the frames and the bottom of the frames above. You want them to get to the young bees via the nurse bees.
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Re: tracheal mite treatments
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2025, 03:26:05 am »
Tracheal mites are kind of an odd pest.

There's a LOT of misinformation about them. They get blamed for problems sometimes, then people realise it was something else all along, but their bad rep remains.

At one time it was thought they caused Isle of Wight disease, which was Something that killed a lot of British hives around 1910-1920. It was originally thought to be nosema, then this mite was discovered and once you knew what to look for it was everywhere, so people assumed it was the cause. Atound 1930 peopke realised IoW' Disease must actually be 2 things, like Foulbrood - a slow burn and fast burn one. We now suspect it was a mix of mites and a paralysis virus, but I'm not convinced tracheal mites were a significant factor.

Brother Adam began promoting his Buckfast bees as tracheal mite resistant. Marketing and rumour works really well. But there's no evidence his bees were resistant to IoW disease other than his word. Ftom the records he left behind, the current beekeepers at Buckfast Abbey found he covered up a big foulbrood outbreak in his colonies... Others who interviewed people who lived through IoW spotted 2 patterns: the susceptible bees were imports, and the beekeepers had shifted from skeps to moveable-framed hives and had not geasoed how easily you could spread dusease that way.

For whatever reason,  IoW disease vanished after about 1920 so we don't know what it was. And tracheal mites became hard to find in Britain, indicating the bees had evolved to handle that mite (yet some people claim they can't adapt to varroa). Tracheal mites were kept out of the US for a few decades by an impirt ban, eventually arriving and killing many US colonies. By this time svience was more advanced so we know it was them. Grease patties worked, but when miticides versus varroa began being used they incidentaly killed tracheal mites too. Then aboyt 10-20 years ago teavheal mites bwgan becoming rare in the USA too, presumably the bees developing resistance.

So there's some background. The real cure is buy bees from a different supplier...

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Re: tracheal mite treatments
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2025, 11:14:33 am »
This is the first  I have heard of a confirmed tracheal mite diagnosis.  Beekeeping classes in this area tend to mention tracheal mites but add the caveat that we rarely see it.

For those interested this is a link from Clemson University about Tracheal Mites and recommended treatments. https://www.clemson.edu/extension/beekeepers/fact-sheets-publications/tracheal-mite-honey-bee.html#:~:text=Tracheal%20mites%20are%20microscopic%20in,where%20the%20developmental%20cycle

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Re: tracheal mite treatments
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2025, 01:12:14 pm »
@rober do you know what the numbers of trachael mites were like?  Basically I'm wondering if the test discovered a handful of tracheal mites in a sample, but were they negatively impacting the bees that much?  Obviously if they were at infestation levels, then they were having some impact, but finding a parasite in a sample doesn't mean that parasite and host weren't in some sort of healthy balance. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2025, 01:57:48 pm »
i instructed my daughter on how to send samples to the usda lab. i told her to pkg. samples & label them & each sample tested. otherwise the lab lumps them all together.
i never had these mites show up in testing before, just mites & nosema. i also never had an issue with either foulbrood or chalkbrood.
i've not actually seen the reports so i'm not sure of the numbers. i'll have her send me a copy.
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