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Shake out foragers?
« on: July 11, 2014, 02:12:15 pm »
Heres a question for you...
   I found a hive that is all drone cells in my inspection yesterday, multiple eggs in several cells..  Time to shake them out..
   I have a nuc started with one of my own queens I want to replace this hive with..   I figured the foragers returning to the same spot might be a boost to the hive, but am wondering if any of those foragers might cause a problem??

   My gut is telling me they will be fine as long as I shake the hive out quite a distance away. But thought I would ask some of the experts and wizardly types.   Thanks!
   Scott
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2014, 03:32:33 pm »
While we are waiting for the experts, I'll give my opinion. Shake them out 10 feet in front of the location. Place the nuc beside the old location a few inches. Get them confused when there is no hive where their home was. Make them go 5 or 10 inches to take up with the strange hive. It will happen peacefully. You can slide it back where you want it in 3 days.
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2014, 04:02:40 pm »
Quote from: iddee on July 11, 2014, 03:32:33 pm
While we are waiting for the experts, I'll give my opinion. Shake them out 10 feet in front of the location. Place the nuc beside the old location a few inches. Get them confused when there is no hive where their home was. Make them go 5 or 10 inches to take up with the strange hive. It will happen peacefully. You can slide it back where you want it in 3 days.

   I hadn't thought about setting it off to the side a bit. That would make sense. 
   And true, your no longer considered expert, your Mr. Wizard, thats a step above expert.. 

   This "nuc" was in a double box and got transfered to a ten frame box yesterday with another medium box on top. Decent strong colony beginning to grow like we always hope they will.

   Plan;   Move both hives tonight. Put the nuc/new hive where the laying worker hive was, set the laying worker hive aside until morning. Shake them out bright an early and remove the hive.   Random drone cells scattered all through the laying worker hive, so I will probably decap two or three frames to give the new hive a boost in drawn comb as well. Good time to check for mites too!
  Nuc lid leaned across the entrance to force the new hive to re orient, and set to one side to make it obvious to returning foragers of the shaken hive that this is different..

   
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2014, 04:28:23 pm »
Hannibal Smith couldn't plan it no better.
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2014, 05:30:33 pm »
Quote from: iddee on July 11, 2014, 04:28:23 pm
Hannibal Smith couldn't plan it no better.
That's Colonel Hannibal Smith.
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2014, 05:34:40 pm »
Right, but what about the nuc's foragers?
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2014, 06:25:08 pm »
Who is Hannibal Smith? 

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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2014, 06:29:59 pm »
Scott, if you're asking Mr. Wizard a question then we need to see you in pigtails and ruby slippers, and that goes for your little dog too!!!
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2014, 07:29:47 pm »
The nuc's foragers will find a home. Theirs, if it is the closest to the original location.

Jaybird, THE A TEAM

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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2014, 08:23:52 pm »
The foragers should re orient in the morning when they go to fly out and find their path blocked/changed. Those that do not will most likely go in one of the hives to the side of their original location.
   I have heard some pretty tuff stories about moving hives short distances, but so far.. (Knocking on wood) by using the method mentioned I have had really good luck.
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2014, 09:48:40 pm »
Quote from: Jen on July 11, 2014, 06:25:08 pm
Who is Hannibal Smith?

It made me think of Alias Smith and Jones, but that was Hannibal Heyes in that show, now Hannibal Smith.
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2014, 02:54:38 pm »
Interesting..

  I moved the hives last night, leaving the laying worker hive screened in, taking it about 30 to 40 yards away..
   Bees orienting on the nuc hive this morning, and all looked good...
   Opened the laying worker hive, and quite a few bees piled out..  Broke the hive down and began shaking them out..  About half done, I looked over at the nuc hive to see about ten thousand bees hanging on the nuc lid.......
   I closed up the laying worker hive, and drove it up to an outyard and shook the remaining five to ten thousand bees out there..
   Drove home...     The first five hives in the line all had a VAST amount of orienting bees, it was crazy to see.  A little worried, but not overly so..  I will check in two or three days to see if the queens in those hives survived. Especially the nuc hive..  I didnt expect ALL the bees to go directly there.. I assume the foragers started fanning and drew them to the spot.. 
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2014, 06:11:30 pm »
That's cool but maybe I missed something. Why did you take the laying worker hive farther away and dump out the rest of the bees?
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Re: Shake out foragers?
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2014, 07:51:15 pm »
Too many piling up at the hive. I didnt want fighting or possibly a dead queen. These hives, or Hive and Nuc were about the same size, the hive may have been a bit bigger. Bees can only defend so long and so much before they get overwhelmed.. this is also how AHB overtakes a hive, by swarming it.
   I expected quite a lot of bees to go to the hive, but not ALL of them, I expected a lot of confusion and bees flying everywhere, but they more or less zoomed straight to the old location from where I dumped them, and clustered in front of the entrance..
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