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Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« on: November 16, 2014, 11:10:24 pm »
One of my three hives has a dink in it. It just occured to me that she may not be as hearty as the two purchased queens. I don't know much about dinks actually. I do know that all summer she layed about 1/2 a deep hive, but never progressed further, but maintained that amount of bees.

It hard to say what we'll find in our hives this coming spring, but I'm wondering if dinks make it very long?

Think I'll look that up in my bee biology book  ;)
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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2014, 06:38:30 am »
I've had them looking so poor in the fall after a year of next to nothing, only to have them survive the winter and turn into some of my best. ???
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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2014, 07:51:20 am »
Like Perry I have been astonished by the bees.. and there has been times I got exactly what I expected.

  A dink, or small hive that does not seem to build up can be a waste of time and resources. Most beekeepers split them or combine them..  I have done both, but I have also given them the best chance I can to survive....   If they do, generally they become a production hive.
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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2014, 10:22:59 am »
As I recall, you are in a severe drought situation.  This could be a factor.  If nothing is coming in, why should the queen be productive?  Should you choose to keep her through the winter, next spring feed 1:1 sugar syrup to get her building up the colony prior to a nectar flow.  Just MHO.

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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2014, 10:47:30 am »
A queen cutting back during a drought. Is that truly a dink, or the smartest queen you have?
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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2014, 01:29:45 pm »
Lee Burough? prizes his BeeWeavers queens.  As BW has queens in late summer when my regular supplier doesn't, I bought a couple last year, one for my neighbor and one for me.  And I purchased 2 in August 2014.

What is special about BW queens is they produce a very small cluster of very productive bees, perfect for surviving in a drought. My neighbor's did well, and mine did well. I did move mine to Arlington last winter as my larger colonies were trying to rob them out, but when I went to sell the hive in the spring it was a 10 frame deep packed with bees and honey and I wished I had charged more.  (mine started with 2 frames of bees and brood in a nuc with the newly purchased queen)  Suffice to say my reputation with bee club was bolstered by the output of that small cluster queen... I won't have a problem selling a spare hive next year.

I think you have a drought not dinks. A wise queen doesn't overpopulate to have all her offspring starve.

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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2014, 03:33:03 pm »
Good Post! learning stuff   ;D

Baker-"As I recall, you are in a severe drought situation.  This could be a factor.  If nothing is coming in, why should the queen be productive? 

Iddee- "A queen cutting back during a drought. Is that truly a dink, or the smartest queen you have?

Gypsi- "I think you have a drought not dinks. A wise queen doesn't overpopulate to have all her offspring starve.

History of this queen:
She is the product of the last of the 10 swarms last spring, a swarm queen. She wasn't big when she started but she is now a nice large queen.
This summer I had 4 hives, 2 with purchased queen that did real well, lots of bees. And two with swarmy queens that 'dinked' along.

I combined two 'dink' hives two weeks ago. So now I have three strong hives, two hives with purchased queens, and one hive with a (presumably) dink.

I'm sure the drought has something to do with it, but curious why the 2 purchased queen hives did so well, and the 2 dink hive did half as much.

Maybe... the purchased queen hives had faster bees?  :D

Thanks guys  ;)


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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2014, 05:19:30 pm »
how much honey did the purchased queen hives produce?  How much did the dink queen hive produce?

Some swarm queens are keepers, some are not, but a late season one you aren't going to see her at work in a flow until spring.  If there is a flow in the spring.

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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2014, 05:56:57 pm »
Let's see... one dink made almost 60 lbs or 1 full medium. The other dink made about 45 lbs or 2/3 medium. The others with the purchased queens made about 60 pounds each. There was no overage in any of the hives.

It's predicted that we'll have a long wet winter, so I'm thinking that all of the hives will need some help.

So actually the dinks weren't that far behind the purchased queens. I think that's pretty good considering the drought and all.
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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2014, 06:03:39 pm »
Lee Burough? prizes his BeeWeavers queens.  As BW has queens in late summer when my regular supplier doesn't, I bought a couple last year, one for my neighbor and one for me.  And I purchased 2 in August 2014.

What is special about BW queens is they produce a very small cluster of very productive bees, perfect for surviving in a drought. My neighbor's did well, and mine did well. I did move mine to Arlington last winter as my larger colonies were trying to rob them out, but when I went to sell the hive in the spring it was a 10 frame deep packed with bees and honey and I wished I had charged more.  (mine started with 2 frames of bees and brood in a nuc with the newly purchased queen)  Suffice to say my reputation with bee club was bolstered by the output of that small cluster queen... I won't have a problem selling a spare hive next year.

I think you have a drought not dinks. A wise queen doesn't overpopulate to have all her offspring starve.
I like the BW queens, its my neighbors who got stung a couple times that has me keeping only the gentlest of those queens and selling the others.  They have all produced a lot of honey if left alone.   :)

Good going with those extra hives gypsi.  :)
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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2014, 06:05:57 pm »
I would say you got all good queens the one dink hive was even with the bought queen and the other only 15lbs behind.  I sure wouldn't send them to the gallows until you have a chance to evaluate in the spring.  They may build up faster than the bought queens and be your best yet.
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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2014, 06:22:42 pm »
Thank you Lee. 

I did notice the BW queens are a LITTLE bit hotter than my VSH queens from east Texas, not bad first generation, but a generation later when crossed to my local drones they are almost as bad as AHB and close to time for a requeen.  I took the hot locally crossed queen from my neighbor and  brought the hive over here for requeen and he sold his hive with its productive Beeweaver's queen after he opened it without a suit to feed the bees a time or 2.  Now that was NOT all the bees fault but he did end up in the ER once.

 I don't mind BW here as long as they only defend a small part of the beeyard, it's privacy fenced, and I have not had a problem with neighbors getting stung.  When I open the hive at the right time of day and they are plastered on my suit's screen I order a queen.

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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2014, 01:49:05 am »
Riverrat- So I was sure I was going to requeen the dink next spring, but now that Gypsi helped me with some math, I think I'll give her another go ~ Thanks you guys  :)
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Re: Dinks ~ or rather Queens
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2014, 11:41:56 am »
good replies here, i will just add this from randy oliver fat bees:

"bees need to be experiencing a nectar flow of some sort in order to stimulate broodrearing and to properly feed the larvae (with the exception that during early buildup after the winter solstice they will utilize stored honey). Even without a nectar flow, the queen may be laying eggs, but the nurse bees may just as well follow behind and eat them up! When food is short, those larvae that are reared will not be fed to the fullest, and may be capped early. During those times of nectar dearth when you want the bees to continue broodrearing uninterrupted (as in my area between fruit bloom and the main honeyflow, or in September), the feeding of light syrup will keep the broodrearing factory chugging along nicely. And the syrup can be really light! A ratio of 1 part sugar to 2 parts water (33% sugar) will stimulate a colony just fine. In fact, syrup concentrations of greater than 50% are beyond that of most natural nectars, and are not as stimulatory to the bees.

There’s an interesting aspect of bee behavior that has long been noted—colonies are hesitant to fully engage in brood rearing unless they have an adequate reserve of honey (Doolittle 1905). Bees can smell the presence of empty comb (Rinderer 1982), determine nectar flow within the colony (Seeley 1995), but we’re not sure how they sense the amount of honey stores (Seeley, pers. comm). But I’ve sure noticed that when I make up singles with drawn comb, the bees brood up more quickly if they have some combs of honey in contact with the cluster. Otherwise, they seem to hold off until they’ve put away some stores. Same with new colonies on foundation—they like to keep a reserve on either side of the brood nest. This makes perfect sense, since colonies that overextend themselves can easily starve during inclement weather."
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