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Turn into the skid
« on: March 04, 2015, 06:09:36 pm »
Seriously I just heard the weather guy instructing drivers to steer into the skid. Guess he doesn't realize what happens if a front wheel car is steered into the skid.  Gonna be some serious figure 8's out there.  We have freezing rain now.

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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2015, 07:40:24 pm »
He was still correct. He just left out,  "with front wheel drive, mash the gas". It's the hardest gas pedal on earth when you are going into a skid at 70 MPH. Don't ask. It was no fun, but I got it straight and continued on.
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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 07:48:25 pm »
Most skids on icy roads are caused by drivers driving to fast or following to close to another driver. I reduce my speed to the conditions of the weather. I also stay in the right lane and keep my distance about 30 car lengths away. If your car is equip with anti lock brakes hold the brake down. This will keep your car under control if you should slide. If the speed limit is 65. you don’t drive 65. you reduce your speed to 35. if you get tailgaters. Slow down some more. I try to stay away from freeways when the weather is bad. I take the back roads. 

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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 09:30:44 pm »
gyspi, defensive driving 101  up here in snow and ice country, and iddee's correct, turn into the skid, and with front wheel drive hit the gas. control the steering wheel.  do not over correct.
most people panic when they go into a skid, so they hit the brakes and over correct the opposite direction.  irregardless of what you are driving, front wheel, all wheel, rear wheel or 4 wheel the concept is the same. you want to control and steer the rear wheels until your front wheels can gain some traction....get off the brake and the gas, steer into the skid, and then gas her (be careful how much gas you apply on a rear wheel) and do not over correct and do not steer opposite until the front wheels gain traction. why does this work? it transfers the weight from the front wheels to the rear wheels, you will gain more control of the vehicle by steering into the skid, and applying some accelration, than over correcting.

anti lock brakes? do not mash on the anti lock brakes, just my HO.
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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 10:28:50 pm »
Riverbee nailed it.  "Do Not over correct.  I don't mind driving on snow and Ice. Its the other guy I'm worried about.  The worst is we are far enough south we get the southern drivers up this way that have no clue how to drive on ice.
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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 11:25:00 pm »


   I recall....
  My wife and I in my 84 chevy 4x4 short bed. One of the nicest trucks I ever owned..  383 in it, back when you had to BUILD a 383 because there was no such thing to order.. and my WIFE was driving, it was a standard trans..  we were only going about 40, because there were a few icy patches here and there..  came up over a hill, and there were cars EVERYWHERE..  Of course, the first thing she did was slam on the brakes, and of course, that killed the engine, and the truck started sliding....  She started screaming, were gonna crash!!   and repeated it over and over...    while I yelled to push in the clutch... she did, the truck straightened out..  no power steering only adrenalin powered steering, so she wasnt going to oversteer..  I yelled over her yelling to hit the brakes, she did, truck started sliding.. i yelled let off the brakes! truck straightened out, i yelled HIT THE BRAKES, she did, and the truck started sliding. I yelled let off the brakes, and it straightened out...  She managed to miss the first car, and then went between two cars, still screaming, and I am still telling her to hit the brakes and let off, repeatedly, time after time until we were going slow enough she could maneuver without sliding.. but the road was completely blocked, so i pointed at the ditch. it was about 10 feet deep, but not real steep...
   Turn, and go straight down, DO NOT TURN! STRAIGHT!!!
   She did it, we went in, came to a stop in the snow...   
   The first, and LAST time she has EVER listened and done EXACTLY as she was told...
   A police officer coming from the other end of the wreck on foot ran up to the window, knee deep in snow, reaches in the now opening door and grabs my wife and hugs her...   seriously...  tells her that was the BEST piece of driving he has EVER seen!!
   From that moment forward, she has told the story as if she was a cool as a frozen cucumber and I was the one screaming..
   Well, i was, but was telling her what to do trying to save my truck!!!

   THREE days later, in the same truck. coming down the long curved on ramp to the interstate, out of Somersworth NH.. i saw brake lights go on ahead of me, and hit the brakes..  you guessed it, the truck started to slide..  we, as in the three cars in front of me, and a dozen behind me are already running about 45 mph to get on the interstate..  My wife screams.. again... were going to crash!
   I pumped the brake, and did everything I could possibly do to slow that truck down.. the cars in front of me slammed into the pile up pretty hard...  I turned the wheel, we were already in 4 wheel drive, and mashed the gas..  my wife screamed again as we went over the small concrete barricade.  it tore the exhaust off the truck as we hit the snow bank, and we went UP into the air in an explosion of snow, and landed on top of the burm of snow pushed up between ramp and interstate. And thats where we sat as the cars behind me all slid past and slammed into the mess..  Yep, the police officer that was just pulling up jumped out of his car and climbed up to the truck..
   "Brother, are you OK?"
  "Yes Sir, i think were better than them other folks."
   "That was a hades of a piece of driving boy!"

   Of COURSE it was! AND, it had nothing to do with skill, in either situation, with the wife, it was my tone of voice, hovering on the edge of sanity and desperation..  The on ramp, was purely adrenalin and desperation..   A man will do whatever, a man has to do, TO SAVE HIS TRUCK!
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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2015, 11:49:44 pm »
omg LOL !!
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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2015, 02:08:45 pm »
Great stories Lazybkpr... wow. 

my claim to fame in cool driving is just hold on tight and sit loose.  After the semi started flinging cars and one clipped the right front corner of my mazda and sent it doing 360's across 5 lanes. (I was doing 55, the guy who clipped my front corner was doing about 80) the blur stopped when I was next to the green berm at the side of 820, my hands still on the wheel, clutch and brake on the floor, truck still running.  Mazda pickup was totaled, i had pulled muscles and a couple of ribs out of socket. No snow, no ice, aggressive semi wanted to make his exit wrecked 5 vehicles and took off, he was never caught.   I have considered buying a fairly new toyota tacoma and decided against it.

I moved out the snow and ice shortly after getting my drivers license, and I will drive on ice if I must.  took 3 hours to make a 20 mile drive (10 miles each way) last week. I took back streets with the fewest hills and stayed off the highway or it would have taken 5 hours for the same trip. At least on back streets I could detour around the jackknifed semis and stuck drivers. In my 75 chevy with 300 lbs of pond equipment centered over the rear axle.

I did about 20 mph, it was very very slick, but I really needed to make a bank deposit so I did go and hit 2 stores on the way home for food. No line in Costco, who knew?

My understanding was you steer into the skid on rear wheel, and just steer where you want to go on front wheel drive.  But then the rear is what skids on rear wheel. And I always pump the brakes on slick roads.

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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2015, 05:11:02 pm »
""and just steer where you want to go on front wheel drive.""

Think about it, gypsi. Where you want to go will always be into the skid.
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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2015, 10:38:53 pm »
I think I see that. Haven't driven a front wheel drive oh, since at least 2000, possibly (ex's caddy might have been front wheel drive) 1978, so my reflexes are geared for rearwheel responses

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Re: Turn into the skid
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2015, 10:57:33 pm »
Ah, fond memories of my dad taking me out on the lake and making me skid and recover. 
donuts were also fun to do on the lake, providing there were no ice fishing shacks nearby...
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