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New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« on: April 19, 2015, 02:59:37 pm »
My friend Chris picked up a swarm of mine a couple of weeks ago, they are hived and settled. Two days ago he brought home another swarm, hived it, and set it next to my hived swarm. He said the hive he caught yesterday moved in with my hive??? Really? Can that happen?

Obviously, his new swarm must not have a queen in it...
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Re: New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2015, 03:24:48 pm »
You can believe him, it CAN happen.  (After all, with bees, anything can happen.)
Last Wednesday I was called to hive a swarm.  It was a nice prime swarm and settled easily into the hive I brought it.   I didn't see the queen but their behavior told me she was there.
Before I left, the fellow who had called me showed me another swarm in the area---a small one, about the size of a grapefruit.  It was nicely clustered and hung on one branch that was easily accessible.  I didn't have any more hiving equipment with me and they really didn't deserve that I find and dedicate another hive to them. 

I decided to try something I had never done before: to merge two swarms.  I cut them off their branch and simply placed the "grapefruit" into the hive with the prime swarm while the hive was still open.  To my total surprise, they simply merged into one family without the slightest indication of resistance or agitation from either swarm. Not even the buzz of surprise that often greets you when a hive is first opened.  I closed the hive and moved it to the position where I wanted to keep it.  Still, no excitement whatsoever. 

I'm certain that both swarms had queens---the prime, most likely a mated queen and the "grapefruit" almost certainly a virgin.  I assume that eventually the two queens will meet and the virgin will eliminate the older queen.  Another few days and I'll open it up to see just where things stand.

Yes, swarms can merge.
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Re: New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2015, 03:27:10 pm »
You answered your own question. His swarm became queenless.
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Re: New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2015, 03:46:07 pm »
Thank you! Chris will be glad to hear that.
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Re: New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2015, 09:06:13 pm »
Wow, I am learning something new every day on this site!

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Re: New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2015, 03:10:04 pm »
Follow up on the merged swarms:  I gave them to my grandson, who checked them  about four days after their collection and merging.  The swarm was functioning well but no eggs were to be found, nor did he see the queen.  He replaced the old combs I had initially given them with new frames and foundation. 
My assumption is that the young, virgin queen from the small swarm eliminated the older queen.  It could be that he didn't see the young queen because she was out on a mating flight.  In any event,  I'll have to either check it myself in another few days or get a new report from my grandson after he checks it again.

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Re: New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2015, 04:13:50 pm »
Looking forward to this update Ef, this is fascinating to me  :)
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Re: New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2015, 03:33:33 am »
I just came home from a bike ride/ exercise session and stopped at the double swarm to take a look a look inside.  I didn't have a smoker or any face protection with me so my check up was not thorough......

The bees completely cover six frames.  They are working dilligently (barely paid any attention to me).  I spread three of the six frames apart and lifted the third one for closer examination. The three frames with sheets of foundation that my grandson gave them seem to be completely built and the one I lifted out from the middle has developing brood near one side.  While there is an upper arch of nectar/honey at the top of that frame, the main body of the frame is clean and looks like it is ready to receive eggs from the laying queen that is obviously there, even though I didn't see her. 

If left to develop on its own (with no addition of bees or brood from elsewhere) this family (no longer a swarm) looks like it should develop nicely but it definitely won't produce any honey from the spring flow.  We had some nice, unexpected, late rains in April so, with some good luck, it might produce a bit of honey for extraction from the summer flow (July).  But that "might" has a very big question mark with it.

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Re: New Swarm Moved Into The Hive Next Door
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2015, 09:10:03 am »
That is excellent to hear...
   I was told by a commercial fellow, that they re queen by using cells or virgin queens because they are killing machines..   the chances a virgin will kill a laying queen are near 100%..
   I have tested that theory a couple times and found it to be true..   That should turn into a super nice hive by summer.
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