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« on: August 02, 2015, 12:38:15 pm »
So I have a hive that isn't bringing in nectar. Not even up in supers. But the hives 8' away have 3 supers full of honey. Why would it be so different   Any ideas. Ty

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Re: No honey
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2015, 01:04:30 pm »
Bee stock Genetics if every thing else in the hive is equal. but it seldom is. You have to relay analyze both hives did one replace the queen and was with out a queen for a month? this will effect bee population but at the right time of year it can mean an abundance of honey being stored because the bees didn't have to feed larva for a month. did both queens have access to the same amount of free cells to lay brood in or was one honey bound? One beekeepers will over look is bee drift, we like to think that bees are all returning to there hive but in reality bees drift a lot. 2 rows of hives and the front row will receive more bees from the back row of hives. hives in the center of a row will receive more bees than the end hives. and don't rule out the prevailing wind. It will push the bees over to the next hive.
just a few things to look at.
You have to reflect on what you observed and how that effected the hive build up and how the development of the hive coincided with the honey flow. I doubt it is just one reason, but a bunch of factors that caused this.
The first question is was the 2 hives equal at the start of the season? Same size cluster in a overwintered colony.  Both started from packages, queens the same age and maybe more importantly the same race. 
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Re: No honey
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 08:30:09 am »
They were honey bound for a bit. Had to take 4 frames of capped honey out. I didn't have deep frames so I put in super frames and they started to fill them up with honey and drone comb on the bottoms. They haven't put and eggs on the top part of the frames

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Re: No honey
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2015, 12:27:48 pm »
Is this on the top supper of a 2 deep super hive? If it is the bees may be backfilling the top box in preparing for winter.
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Re: No honey
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 06:21:56 pm »
Yes but the hive is full enough for winter

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Re: No honey
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2015, 07:10:55 pm »
I will go out on a limb here is the hive with 3 supers full a nice large fat golden queen, and the no excess a little skinnier, darker, with tiger stripes?
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Re: No honey
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2015, 07:54:05 pm »
No supers full not even a frame. All deep frames full with brood and honey on a dbl deep. Golden queen and hive is ready for a third deep. I have two supers on top and only a handful of bees in it. That's why I don't understand what's going on. They won't even go up there. Not even the queen to lay. Lol just don't get it. Guess I'll put another deep on it and build them up for winter I guess

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Re: No honey
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2015, 09:34:33 pm »
I will go out on a limb here is the hive with 3 supers full a nice large fat golden queen, and the no excess a little skinnier, darker, with tiger stripes?
Come on Apis, don't leave us guessing about what you mean....Why don't you like tiger stripes?  :-)
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Re: No honey
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2015, 10:24:43 pm »
Funny thing is I had no deep frames and put supers in its place and they filled them up in the deep box

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Re: No honey
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2015, 01:51:11 am »
I have nothing against dark tiger striped queens other than the amount of propolis that they deposit all over the hive. they winter will and do not eat themselves to death. what i was implying is the genetic make up of the queen can have a huge impact on how the colony preforms and their temperament. In the seventies and eighties the bee most were raising was the big fat gold colored Italians. the built up large colonies Produces a lot of honey and as long as they had enough food to keep from starving to death they would keep producing brood. The finest best producers were selected each year to produce queens for the next year. This selection process was repeated year after year for the previous 50+ years. Some hives overwintered in northern areas were winter dead outs because of starvation but a 2lb replacement package could be bought for $18 dollars. To buy a queen by herself was $8 dollars, so a lot never even tried to over winter. 1987 and the first of the mites appeared in north America and over the next 5+ years the previous 50 years of breeder stock selection was wiped out. They went from breeding from the best, to breading from what had survived. In the early 80 the queens all preformed close to the same. Now there can be such a shift between colonies in temperament, color , characteristics, and production.
Now more emphasis is put on colony survival, But if it is going to survive, but produce no surplus of a honey crop to reward the beekeeper for looking after them and seeing to their needs, Is that genetics worth having? If they are only providing pollination for your garden you may as well put up mason bee blokes and bumble bee boxes.
Sorry got on a little bit of a rant here

If bees wont build up into the top added supers, then you may have to treat them as a beekeeper keeping Warre hives would and bottom super. The bees will keep storing the nectar and keep forcing the queen down. and as the run out of space to store the nectar they will build and draw comb for the queen to lay in
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Re: No honey
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2015, 06:54:48 pm »
May have to try that next year. Think I'll put another deep box on and watch them grow for the winter. Who knows what next year will bring.

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Re: No honey
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2015, 08:35:32 pm »
Thanks Apis!  I'm getting some tiger striped queens out of a mix of BWeaver, VP and feral queens.  One of my best queens is tiger striped.  Haven't watched them long enough to make much of a judgement.  Was curious if you had input that I should consider as I produce a few queens.  :-)
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