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Help?
« on: May 28, 2016, 02:55:54 pm »


Any one know what's up?

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Re: Help?
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2016, 03:48:52 pm »
QWhat are we looking at? the photo is a little out of focus and so tightly zoomed in it is hard to decipher. I am guessing that it is a drone cell between supers that got torn apart when removing the upper super or frames out of the upper super. the slight colored things could be varoa mites that are not mature. Or could be a torn open queen cell with royal jelly. But just guessing Do you have more pictures to put what we are looking at in context?
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Re: Help?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2016, 03:56:37 pm »
Queen cell down on lowe supper torn and larva looks mushy then there is this radish speck. I have not seen varro in my hive but am concerned  about speck. During inspection the bees opened another queen cell. I did not see a queen emerge and has me wonder if some thing is killing g them befor dev9. I did not once cell was open worker bees were going In cell as though they were tending it.

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Re: Help?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2016, 03:59:55 pm »


This has a little less zoom

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Re: Help?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2016, 06:16:15 pm »
A broken open queen cell during inspection. Did you see any more queen cells that were intact? is the queen still in the hive and laying --- Did you see eggs, young larva, and capped brood? where they swarm cells, Supersedure, or emergency cells. due to the fact that they were on the bottom of the frames and got torn during an inspection I would guess they are swarm cells... Unless the inspection hinted at something else.
It is decision time Split, or let swarm. Hopefully they still have a viable queen cell or the young larva to draw a new one.
It is hard to give relevant advice until you can explain what you seen in the hive.
Yes or no... Eggs,  Larva of all ages. capped brood, The 1-2-4 in egg to brood; the amount of cells with eggs should equal twice as much cells with larva, and then again twice as many cells of capped brood.  Find the queen, queen cells - capped cups being fed with larva inside?
You want to determine if the queen is still there and is still laying if so swarming can be prevented. If she has slowed or stopped laying there is a good chance they will swarm. to stop create a artificial swarm by starting a nuc with the queen and let the hive requeen itself.
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Re: Help?
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2016, 09:30:49 pm »
Apis can you explain what the 1-2-4 egg to brood is? ???

Still counting on my fingers and can not figure that one out :eusa_wall:
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Re: Help?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2016, 10:30:01 pm »
I did not locate a queen, capped older brood yes, no eggs things have me very concerned but don't know where to go. Found three queen cells and a few round undeveloped cells

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Re: Help?
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2016, 10:48:25 pm »
Also I did not see varying stages of larva empty cells up to the capped brood.

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Re: Help?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2016, 12:59:22 am »
So your bees are in the middle of re queening.  The old queen has either swarmed or got rolled during your last inspection.  No open brood means you have not had a queen in there for about 8 days,.  the  "round undeveloped" cells could be either queen cups or drone brood, depending on what exactly you mean.   It will take about another three weeks until the new queen starts laying.  Until then there is not too much to worry about.  In about 6 days you could try looking for a  virgin queen, but they are hard to find and there is little benefit to actually seeing her.
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Re: Help?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2016, 01:10:10 am »
Apis can you explain what the 1-2-4 egg to brood is? ???

Still counting on my fingers and can not figure that one out :eusa_wall:
1-2-4 or the 3-6-12 is the time for brood development. 3 days for eggs 6 days as open brood and 12 days as sealed brood. So if the queen had been uninterrupted in her laying, for the amount of eggs that she has laid in the past 3 days there should be 2X that amount of open brood that she had laid the previous 6 days, and 4X the amount of capped brood than eggs. From these figures you can gauge the states of a hive.
 
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I did not locate a queen, capped older brood yes, no eggs things have me very concerned but don't know where to go. Found three queen cells and a few round undeveloped cells
Also I did not see varying stages of larva empty cells up to the capped brood.
So by these posts the queen stopped laying 9 days ago to determine whether the hive has swarmed or not?
are there any cells that look like they are full cells and have had the queen chew herself out? How is the hive population Does it look like the population is less than you would expect? Were the bees calm and remained quiet in the hive or did they sound revved up with more fanning than usual. If the colony has not swarmed yet It looks like they could in the next few days.
How many hives do you have? were all the queen cells on the same frame. If you only have one hive and have cells on a couple of frames I would pull a nuc with a cell leaving cells in the main hive to hedge you chances of getting a queen for the hive. 

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Re: Help?
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2016, 12:37:46 pm »


OK these are my workers or nurse bees and they opened this queen cell right in front of me I did not see a queen instantly come out. I actually saw one of these bees climb into the queen cell repeatedly. I put frame back not wanting g to disrupt process to much.  I have three central frames with queen cells and what looks others in various stages of being drawn-out.  I'm thinking leave them for three days and then check to see if it actually was a queen? By looking for new brood and at that time I can see if they developed other cells to use if this was dead?

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Re: Help?
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2016, 02:11:05 pm »
Every beekeeper does things differently, but if that was my hive, I would not open it again for three weeks. One week to allow a queen to emerge, and two weeks for her to begin laying. Three weeks from today, I would look for eggs and larva.
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Re: Help?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2016, 03:43:57 pm »
Ok