I build hives, but dont put frames in them Perry. I sell the frames I make if they want foundation-less, otherwise they have to order their frames. Like you, the output is a bit too high for me to keep the frames laying about waiting for an owner. Then theres the problem of not having the right foundation in those frames if they want small cell, large cell, wax etc, etc, etc.. Having half a dozen hives ready isnt that bad, and I try to do that anyhow in case I need them for swarms, cut outs, splits and such. Hoping to have a dozen EXTRA hives ready before the spring panic kicks in.