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winterizing a hive in NS
« on: September 08, 2016, 05:28:13 am »
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 07:03:24 am »
Single wrap of tarpaper, with 1 1/2 inch piece of styrofoam between your inner and outer cover, with a notch in your inner cover facing down to allow damp air out. That's all I do.
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 11:17:23 am »
 :agree: :agree: what Perry says, worked great for us here on the South Shore

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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2016, 03:43:36 pm »
Hey Perry, what weight of tar paper do you use, 15 or 30? On a side note does anybody use polyprpolene sheets (corrugated plastic)?

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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2016, 06:54:09 pm »
I never even knew there was different weight? ;D :D
I guess heavier is better? I just tell 'em to give me a roll of tarpaper at the hardware store. :-[
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2016, 07:29:00 pm »
What about entrance reducers. Do you keep them in to reduce draft or out to increase ventilation?

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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2016, 07:58:22 pm »
We don't get the snow you guys get but it does get brutally cold here and I use the entrance reducer with the 3 inch opening and about a 1 inch upper entrance to let moisture out.  Seems to work well here.  Exciting getting ready for the first winxxx, isn't it?  Trying to cover all the bases and gettin.....what am I saying?  Heck, the whole deal is exciting!  Ted
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2016, 09:46:38 pm »
Ted,  Its a little scary to me.  So far gottem through the first summer,thats great but my goal when I started was to get them through the winter.  Working hard to do that. Thanks a lot to most of you guys here.

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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 11:18:30 pm »
winterizing bees in wisconsin.........wind whipping snow piling weather.......days and weeks below 0 farenheit. 

our weather is somewhat similiar to perry's.  i don't use tar paper, i use wraps. 2" of insulation under the inner cover, entrance reducer at 3 inches, top entrance also.  2nd deep heavy, or feed in late summer fall if need be......by heavy, i mean you cannot lift the back of the hive. for extra insurance i add a shim (1 1/2 inches deep) on top the top deep to leave fondant on or winter patties. i replace/add fondant as needed on warm winter days.  i don't go through much.  fondant or winter patties are added directly on top the frames of the 2nd deep; the shim of 1 1/2 inches is to give space for that extra feed. would like to add, i have found that bees like this extra space for some reason when they cluster and move up. inner cover over the shim, insulation on top of that, and then outer cover.  my entrances at the top are my inner cover carved out about 2 to 3 inches as well. 

your hives must be strong and relatively mite free and disease free, plenty of reserves. if not, they won't make it......not enough stores they will starve in the hive.
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2016, 05:39:27 am »
Interesting survey results on winterizing hives
https://app.box.com/s/t5vj6vi0dg6xpj6b892m
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2016, 06:19:24 am »
Interesting survey results on winterizing hives
https://app.box.com/s/t5vj6vi0dg6xpj6b892m

They are interesting rugerbob. From what I picked up it does not appear to make a major difference whether or not you prepare your colonies for winter, maybe a bit more up north, but I was expecting to see much higher losses for those that didn't prepare.
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2016, 08:04:20 am »


your hives must be strong and relatively mite free and disease free, plenty of reserves. if not, they won't make it......not enough stores they will starve in the hive.

Winter weather varies greatly among the members here.  But to me, riverbee just said it all no matter where you live.
Here on the Great Plains, I provide a break from the wind and upper ventilation to let moisture out.  Snow is a great insulator and we don't get that much on a regular basis.  I also give the recommended dosage of Fumagillin added to fall sugar syrup to control nosema. 
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2016, 12:08:55 am »
I probably do not need to worry about this being in the south but please excuse me  What is Fugagillan?? what does it do and why do you use it?? My apology for my ignorance  I am trying to learn

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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2016, 01:44:14 am »
vandy,
you are not ignorant, and you ask a very good question.

fumagilan b is an antibiotic treatment for nosema, (for prevention and treatment of) and is administered to the bees in sugar syrup, in fall and spring months.

what is 'nosema'...........best way i can describe it.......a parasite and infection of the bees which causes great dysentery, visible inside and outside the hive. evidence of this is brown spots, or spotting outside the hive, as well as inside the hive. the inside of a hive will be on the frame tops and face of the frames and may smell very badly. bees may have some dysentery to a certain extent (from winter months and unable to fly) a nosema infection will affect a hive much greater than dysentary. bees cannot recover or will not recover well from nosema without the antibiotic treatment.

there are two types of 'nosema'......Nosema apis and Nosema ceranae.

randy oliver has some great articles on his website about the 'nosema twin's' and the use of fumagilan.......i will look these up for you.......

also many articles on 'nosema' across the net. 

you ask great questions vandy!  hope this helps!
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2016, 04:57:58 pm »
Perry, when do you start winterizing? It will be in the 60s daytime tomorrow but then down to the 40s here in Massachusetts.

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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2016, 05:21:52 pm »
Is the fuma B , more critical in cold climates as compared to warmer climates like here in the south U.S. ?

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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2016, 05:27:05 pm »
When I feed in the fall (if I have to, this year most of my hives didn't need any) I do use fumagilan for just the reason you mention Mikey. The bees are restricted for so long up here I believe it helps.

As for wintering, I have just finished reducing entrances and placing insulation on top, but will hold off with the wrapping for another couple of weeks.
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2016, 09:25:48 pm »
We had some early this year that did not show as disentary but more of a sick bee no production hive. A week after treating with fume b they picked right up and got with the program. If memory serves me correctly.

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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2016, 11:36:38 pm »

  tar paper weight does not matter. it is the COLOR that makes the difference. You can wrap a hive with 30 inches of insulation, it will still be below freezing inside. The cluster is where it is warm, and the bees work from the outside in when they get cold and continue to rotate..   The tar paper is for solar gain on those days that they would not normally be able to MOVE the cluster...
   Bees will starve to death two inches from the life saving HONEY if they cannot move to get to it. The tar paper gives them a few extra days each winter to make that move in comparison to a hive that has no wrap.
   On the days that the cold is marginal, when they would not have been able to move, the tar paper gives them that ability because of the added warmth absorbed by the black wrap. If you wrap with anything that is not black, then you may as well not wrap them with anything because it will not make that difference in solar gain.

   Obviously (I hope) there will be exceptions due to humidity and the length of COLD your bees have to endure. I have spent a lot of time and energy testing the differences, and reading the results of others who have also tested the differences.  There is a huge difference in location. Obviously north vs south would be different, but I have also found a compelling percentage of differences in areas that have severe COLD and WIND in comparison to mountain valleys that have severe COLD with NO wind...
   I have come to believe that those places with little winds to worry about are better off than places like here in the midwest plains that often have NASTY winds.

   In reading that silver insulated bubble wrap was as effective as ANY tar paper I was a little startled, until i found that the people doing this test lived in a forested valley region...   They were adamant about their findings and when i asked what the average wind chill was I got a nasty reply...    I don't need to deal with people like that, but it goes to show that some people ignore the fact that they live in ONE place in this country... They are giving advice and recommendations based solely on their own location.

   Black tar paper works well where I live. I use the small upper entrance. insulate the top of the hive with 2" pink foam and put sugar cakes on the top bars for insurance. I have realized about a fifteen percent increase in survive ability using the tar paper, and about a 5% decrease using the plastic bubble wrap...  I can only assume that it is because the plastic traps moisture??
   As I said.. it is a regional thing...  Talk to folks near where you live that keep bees. Take notes, compare the notes.. throw out the oddballs and pay attention to the methods used by the majority where you live.
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Re: winterizing a hive in NS
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2016, 11:23:44 am »
We have been using the BeeDry system made in Ontario, which are sleeves made out of the foil bubble wrap.  they just slip on and off each year and our original two we bought will be used this year for the fourth time so they definitely hold up.  They have worked for us and are really convenient.  They BeeDry system also has a moisture pillow for the top and a piece for under the bottom board which we do not use,  We only use the double deep sleeve.  It works for us!! Link below

http://debbeesbees.ca/beedry-winter-hive-protection.php