ed, i like and use 1 gallon pail feeders over the inner cover of a deep, and cover it with an extra box. my nucs, like scott, have secondary lids also that i can use an inverted mason jar or the pail feeder. for me the pail feeder works better when i move nucs away, i can strap the whole works down to a pallet so that wandering critters can't knock off the feeder or the lid from the nuc.