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Offline barry42001

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So here's what I have done
« on: March 11, 2014, 03:57:26 pm »

as you can see this is a deep frame that's being drawn out and has sealed brood in it. in this particular hive they are in the process of drawing out at least one more deep frame. In other hive, I have hardly done anything with the foundation I have given them, infact Queen will not cross that foundation to get to comb she can lay eggs and so I have reassembled the brood nest keeping the foundation to the outside, so the Queen will have comb to lay eggs in instead of working on just two or three frames.

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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2014, 04:17:50 pm »
Looking good Barry!
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 04:43:40 pm »
Good plan let the queen lay and get the population built up so the hive will be ready to build comb when you get a nectar flow
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2014, 04:46:52 pm »
BOOMING frame of brood.. Looks nice!
   I have heard others say they had similar problems when they split the brood chamber.  I think it was G3??  that said the bees on the other side of the frame he put in started queen cells..
   I can honestly say with foundation-less I have never had that problem.. they don't see a wall, they see ..  OPPORTUNITY!
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2014, 05:13:08 pm »
interesting if you look at the wax that's being constructed its not that beautiful white waxy you get with new comb usually, we talked about it before but I wonder if they're not taking apart those medium frames combs, would explain the darkest color

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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2014, 05:34:43 pm »
Lazy, I'm intrigued with foundationless frames. But we just bought 6 mediums worth of wired wax frames  :-\
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2014, 05:48:36 pm »
barry~
"In other hive, I have hardly done anything with the foundation I have given them, infact Queen will not cross that foundation to get to comb she can lay eggs and so I have reassembled the brood nest keeping the foundation to the outside,"

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" I have heard others say they had similar problems when they split the brood chamber.  I think it was G3??  that said the bees on the other side of the frame he put in started queen cells."

wise choice barry on moving the foundation to the outside!  lazy, it was g3, he was in a hurry, put a frame of foundation in the middle of the brood nest and the bees raised another queen....... :laugh:
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2014, 06:05:14 pm »
Quote from: Jen on March 11, 2014, 05:34:43 pm
Lazy, I'm intrigued with foundationless frames. But we just bought 6 mediums worth of wired wax frames  :-\

   Use your wax.. when its time to swap it out, or add more frames / boxes, you can drop a foundation-less frame in between two well drawn combs and they will draw you out an impressive work of art. When they have it nearly done put another one in beside it, etc..  no rush, no hurry. Even if it takes a couple of years you can eventually work them around to all foundation-less with a minimum of trouble.
   I claim foundation-less, but I DO still have some wood/plastic and some all plastic frames mixed in through the mess..  I will get quite a few of them swapped out this spring.. but..  as usual I will realize I NEED MORE FRAMES!!!  and put them into a new hive to get it started and wind up with the exact same conglomeration all over again.
   The one thing I like.. is that when I do drop a frame into the middle of the brood nest.. they are all over getting it FILLED with comb.. while sometimes the ones on the outside of the brood nest are slow to get filled.
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2014, 10:13:28 pm »
Where's Jack? He will explain why they won't cross that plastic. I've never had a problem like that with wax.
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2014, 10:48:23 pm »
when I have a choice I never use plastic, I ordered the pre assembled brood chambers. plasticell was all day ship

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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 02:07:13 am »
Lazy- ""Use your wax.. when its time to swap it out, or add more frames / boxes, you can drop a foundation-less frame in between two well drawn combs and they will draw you out an impressive work of art. When they have it nearly done put another one in beside it, etc..  no rush, no hurry. Even if it takes a couple of years you can eventually work them around to all foundation-less with a minimum of trouble.""

Yes! I'm doing this already with my deeps and the plastic implated frames. I already have 4 replaced  :)  Thanks!
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2014, 05:34:10 am »
Iddee.... you remember back a couple of years ago Crackerbee was trying to get some plasticell draw????   Well it appears the Randy Oliver has done somewhat the same experiment using single deeps and testing how much sugar syrup must be poured into a single to get them to start drawing an upper deep with plasticell foundation.  I guess I should do the same thing he did in his presentation and ask everyone for a guess as to how much syrup he had to pour into a hive to get this process started?????  I should add here prior to everyone guess that by description this little experiment Randy performed was during a period of time in California where there was very little coming into the hive.
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2014, 11:04:21 am »
there is a nectar flow here, many trees blooming.

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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2014, 03:01:45 pm »
I think it was enough to get cracker to throw out the plastic and go with wax, if my memory is correct.

A speaker at our club meeting last night is a bee breeder. He said he bought 300 frames of plasticell 3 years ago. He gave them away 2 years ago. One year was all he wanted of those frames.
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2014, 03:48:02 pm »
I painted mine with wax.  Which ones got drawn within the month worked well but they would not touch them after that.  It almost looks like they moved the wax to build the top and left the bottom. 
Kind of odd to see newly drawn foundation that dark.
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Re: So here's what I have done
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2014, 05:19:33 pm »
the nuc was comprised of older medium brood comb, it does look like in places they've been trimming down those medium frames

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