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Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« on: April 08, 2014, 07:18:47 pm »
Ok, I just removed 8 capped grafts and moved them to an incubator. And a frame with 3 queen cells that they started when I started the grafts. Put the frames with qcells in a nuc box with bees and a frame of brood. Will relocate tomorrow and let them hatch and get mated.

That is all good.

Heres what  need help with pretty quick, I think.

I had queen trapped in bottom deep. She has everything layed in bottom deep,(full of brood) I found a couple queen cups with eggs in them. I destroyed them. I removed queen excluder and rearranged frames between both deeps. I don't know how to explain how many bees were in this hive. I didn't feel comfortable with the rearrange as there were 4 frames of capped brood in the upper deep.

So, I added  3rd deep and moved brood up into the 3rd deep. So 3 deeps high with brood in each one.

How much time do you think that bought me? It was foundation I added so that really doesn't give her immediate room to lay.

I just hope I didn't miss any swarm cells. Weather was bad windy-rainy. Supposed to warm up starting tomorrow and I just know these ladies were getting ready to swarm. I will cry if they swarm. I could make 5 or 6 nucs from this one hive.

My gut tells me I have to find that queen tomorrow and get her the heck out of that hive.
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2014, 07:31:31 pm »
Just had a thought.

I could just go ahead and make up a bunch of nucs tomorrow afternoon with this monster and put these capped queen cells in the nucs.

These grafts are do to hatch Friday. I was hoping to use this hive for honey production but since is so big I could just use this one for nucs and use some others for honey production.
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 07:41:56 pm »
It sounds to me like you greatly value this queen and her progeny, so it would be a crying shame to watch her take off. If other hives can give you the honey you want......... ;)
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 08:05:39 pm »
Yea Perry, as I sit here just shaking my head.

I think I have to go with what I am given. They don't understand or care what I want. I am going to split this hive into at least 5 probably 6 nucs tomorrow.

I'll keep the nuc with the mother queen in it. Then Thursday I can add my grafts to the nucs and they will have a new queen by the weekend.

I have 10 nucs sold, so I will be half way there with this one hive.  I have 16 other hives that overwintered strong. Quiet honestly, I have at least 3 more that I am going to have to do something with very quick (2 deeps packed)
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 08:09:14 pm »
When life hands you nucs.............................sell 'em!  :D
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 08:11:14 pm »
Sounds like you answered your own question.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 08:13:03 pm »
Hey, I have a question.

If you have 2 deeps crowded and lots of brood and bees. If you do a walk away split.

What are the chances of them making Honey? (I know weather is a factor) But is there a chance they would produce?

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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 08:14:22 pm »
Lol, Iddee.

I could just have my own forum couldn't I. :D
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2014, 08:28:29 pm »
Can you take the harassment of owning a forum. These guys never give me a break.  :'(

It depends on the flow. The commercials take hives south and make truck loads of nucs to go north in the spring and make honey. They get tons of it.
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 08:38:20 pm »
Quote from: iddee on April 08, 2014, 08:28:29 pm
Can you take the harassment of owning a forum. These guys never give me a break.  :'(

 :) ;) :D :laugh: :yes:
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2014, 08:59:27 pm »
There wouldn't be any harassment.  Remember,

I would be the only one on it.
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2014, 09:24:21 pm »
Quote from: iddee on April 08, 2014, 08:28:29 pm
Can you take the harassment of owning a forum. These guys never give me a break.  :'(


     awwww....   KissKissHugHugPatPat
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2014, 09:29:53 pm »
No Luv for the Iddee....
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2014, 09:37:52 pm »
Wouldn't have it any other way. I love every minute of it.
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2014, 09:42:56 pm »
 ;D

  Couldn't ask for a better guy to keep us all in line.
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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2014, 10:18:06 pm »
Here, Here, I'll drink to that..
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2014, 11:26:14 pm »
DITTO on all the comments.....

"Can you take the harassment of owning a forum. These guys never give me a break.  :'("

it's true!  :D i would just like to add, without iddee, this place, this great forum wouldn't exist....
he can take the harassment and send it right back ;D.....to teach,  and challenge each of us .....
a great and knowledgeable beekeeper, a great mentor, but most of all....... a great friend....
couldn't ask for anything better and you won't find it anywhere else...
just my two cents.
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2014, 11:36:38 pm »
Quote from: riverbee on April 08, 2014, 11:26:14 pm
DITTO on all the comments.....

"Can you take the harassment of owning a forum. These guys never give me a break.  :'("

it's true!  :D i would just like to add, without iddee, this place, this great forum wouldn't exist....
he can take the harassment and send it right back ;D.....to teach,  and challenge each of us .....
a great and knowledgeable beekeeper, a great mentor, but most of all....... a great friend....
couldn't ask for anything better and you won't find it anywhere else...
just my two cents.
   
   Well said!
  No point in picking on someone if they always get angry about it...  well, maybe a little...  :P   In my case I just have to figure out when hes egging me on and when he is being serious....    ;D
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2014, 11:48:10 pm »
Lazy- "" awwww....   KissKissHugHugPatPat""

OMG LOL!

Lazy - ""In my case I just have to figure out when hes egging me on and when he is being serious....""

In my case I know when he's teasing when he threatens to spank me  :o  but when he serious he yells "THINK ABOUT IT JAY! DO THE MATH!"   
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Re: Oh Man, need a little help with this one.
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2014, 03:57:19 pm »
OK to get back to one of the last questions asked. Will the 2 splits produce a honey crop? It all comes down to timing. A single need 6 to 8 weeks to build up to reach the strength to collect a honey crop. A 4 frame nuc needs 8 to 12 weeks to get to full strength.
There are also a lot of other variables involved, whether the bees need to draw foundation and comb. Is there a flow or feed to support continued hive growth? We can have hives at a ready strength for a flow the plants can be flowering and because of drought of pests and disease little nectar is produced.
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