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Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« on: April 12, 2014, 06:07:45 pm »
There was a swarm in a dogwood tree close to the hives this afternoon.  It's probably from one of my hives.  The one I suspect seemed mean the other day when we were in it, but they may have just been getting ready to swarm.

Anyway, my back has been acting up so I had to get Dad to do most of the work.  I wasn't sure what we needed to do.  The step ladders we have are too short to really work on this swarm, but we gave it the old college try.

I placed a box on the ground under the swarm, so if he could cut the limbs they were on, we could just put them into the box and be done with it.







When he got up there and got ahold of the limb, he moved it a little trying to get the lopper where he could cut it.  The bees all flew off.

Should I have sprayed sugar water on them first?

I left the box with a swarm lure under the limb where they were.  is there a chance they'll return to that spot?

I have another box with swarm lure about 150 yards away towards my house.  Maybe they'll go there instead.

I guess I need to watch more swarm capture videos.  It seemed to me like all you had to do was cut they limb they were on and put them in a box.  I wasn't expecting them to fly away like that.

Any thoughts on why this happened and how I can prevent this in the future would be greatly appreciated.  (It was a great big swarm!  I really hate that I missed it.)
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2014, 06:12:39 pm »
I like to soak them pretty good with sugar syrup to prevent what you just described. Once that queen takes flight it's hard to keep them still. They may go to your other swarm trap, maybe they had it all picked out and were just ready to go. When cutting a branch you have to be oh so gentle.
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2014, 06:55:36 pm »
Wow slow! That is a Huge swarm!

When my first swarm left about a month ago, I had the same problem with getting a good hold on the BIG limb, cutting it, and staying balanced on the ladder, AND trying not to alarm the swarm. So I just took my time, about an hour, and clipped all the smaller branches that contained bees off of the big main branch. I would get down from the ladder, place the small branches of bees in the plastic bin, and then let them alone for 15 minutes, they would re-adjust their swarm ball, then I'd go up and cut a little more, and so on and so on. If you get another swarm, just take your time. Go get a beverage, then cut some bees, go get a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, cut some bees...   ;) 8)
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2014, 07:02:08 pm »
Looking at those pictures makes me think that it may have worked a little better with a bucket on a pole. That swarm looks like it might have fit.

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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2014, 07:43:04 pm »
Looking at those pictures makes me think that it may have worked a little better with a bucket on a pole. That swarm looks like it might have fit.

I wasn't expecting a swarm (is anybody ever ready for one?)

I may have to do some swarm capture studying and gearing up and getting a taller ladder.  Last year was a lot easier when a swarm just moved into the trap unassisted!
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2014, 08:37:24 pm »
Okay Slow! If you've been reading my swarm posts, ya better get ready buddy! My mother hive swarmed 5 times in less than a month. It's the season!!  ;) 8)
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2014, 09:10:57 pm »
Okay Slow! If you've been reading my swarm posts, ya better get ready buddy! My mother hive swarmed 5 times in less than a month. It's the season!!  ;) 8)

I hope mine aren't quite so prolific!   ;)
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2014, 09:13:50 pm »
How many hives do you have now?
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2014, 09:18:39 pm »
How many hives do you have now?

I have two (or more realistically, 1.5)
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2014, 09:27:03 pm »
I've had one for 3 years going into my 4th year. I now have 3. I really only want 2. I might combine the 2 swarms now that they are (hopefully) settled down. We'll see.
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2014, 09:27:57 pm »
I have had a couple do just that. When the scouts convince everybody that they have found a new home there is not much you can do to change their minds.
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2014, 09:34:44 pm »
Hi G- As i look back, and if River is right, in that they prepare for swarming weeks in advance... there wouldn't have been any way for me to prevent my swarm eoisodes... because the weather was still too cold to even take a peek. The only thing I could do quickly was lift the lid and pop some food onto the frames. Crazy early spring here ~
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2014, 10:43:14 pm »
That was a big swarm, Greg!!!!  Dog gone it....you just had to email a link to me didn't you???  You KNEW a SWARM STORY would get me to post!!!!  :P  O:-)

Howdy everyone, Ed here, a rookie beekeeper of 3(?) years down in south Alabama.  Good to make your aquaintance and re-aquaintance with several folks from the past (your secrets are safe with me  ;D ).

Greg, my first comment is...you need make a pole-bucket.  Best thing since sliced bread in my opinion.  Remember my first year when I had all the swarms that landed in the briar patch...not one on anything but briars.  I was picking bees out by clipping a briar branch and shaking it hivebox...one at a time....one by one...one by one....<groan>.  Anyhow, last year wasn't so bad...I think maybe one swarm. 

This year has been another story...been chasing (my) swarms again.  But this time they're getting in the pine trees and privet bushes...anywhere from 10' to 20'...so far.  I had to come up with something quick.  I used my mentor's pole bucket last year on a swarm so I thought that would work.

I found an old extendable pole and lashed a bucket to the side of it...this was about 8" long and worked well on the first swarm.  I raised the bucket to the swarm (for practice) and then lowered it as if I was going to dump the bees so I knew where to place the box.  For the real thing I eased the bucket up to the swarm until most of the cluster was inside the bucket and then bumped the limb firmly a couple of times to dislodge the cluster.  I probably got 90% of the bees on the first bump.  After they were in the bucket I swung it down and poured the bees into the box.  Worked great!  I'd let the flying bees cluster back on the limb and I'd bump them into the bucket again....I did this several times until only a small layer was gathering back on the limb.  This was the easy one.  :-\

The next one was up about 20' in another pine tree.  I ended up lashing a 10' piece of conduit pipe to the original extension pole....ended up at 15.5' long.  That swarm and another one in a privet hedge thicket both used the pole+conduit to reach them.  I had a swarm in between that I had to fall back to the extension pole only (the conduit was too long).  I think I'm simply going to rig up a short and a long pole....too aggravating to lash and untie and then retie the poles.  When I reattached the conduit to the extension pole I didn't overlap them as much...total length is a touch over 16' long...it is unwieldy, but manageable...and I ain't Goliath.  It beats balancing on a ladder...I ain't getting no younger but I do want to get older! ;)

Btw, I used the extension pole + conduit pipe today...I've gotta go out there and seal them up and put'em back on "hive row"....I'm pretty sure that it's a swarm that I hived the other day...maybe they'll stay put this time.   I've got some videos (of course) that I'll put up when I get back to work (faster connection).  It wasn't nearly as big as yours, though.


I highly recommend you fix up a pole bucket, Greg.  It will make getting swarms from trees much better.  Mine isn't fancy, just lashed and duck-taped to the side of the pole...it works.



There...now I'd better go to the "Hi, my name is Ed and I'm a bee-addict" forum.  :)
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2014, 11:15:05 pm »
That was a big swarm, Greg!!!!  Dog gone it....you just had to email a link to me didn't you???  You KNEW a SWARM STORY would get me to post!!!!  :P  O:-)

Welcome Ed!  Glad to see you here.  It's a great bunch of folks.

That bucket idea sounds do-able.  I'll have to look into it.  Maybe a bee vacuum would have worked, too.

It was my first solo try at a swarm.  maybe I'll have better luck next time.
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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2014, 11:40:23 pm »
You'll get the next one.  Any idea how long it had been there?  I missed a small swarm the other day.  I had hived a large swarm late in the day and was beat so decided to wait until the next morning for the smal one.  Apparently they didn't want to wait on me. 

Don't worry with a bee vacuum for a swarm.  The pole bucket is a low-tech, but effective tool for swarms.

Thanks for the welcome!
Ed

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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2014, 11:50:50 pm »
I really don't think it had been there long.  I had to walk by there on the to the shed to get suited up, and i didn't notice them there.  But i could have very well missed them.  When i found them, i heard them before i saw them.

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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2014, 11:59:55 pm »
I guess it might be if they weren't there long they hadn't scented on the branch enough to hold them...???

I've never had a swarm to leave while I was attempting to get it, so I really don't know what to tell you.  I do know that once a swarm has clustered on a limb (or any other object) that that limb can become a magnet for swarms.  I've had four swarms in the privet thicket...three of them were on the same branch.  I figured after that 5-6 inch rain that we had that the scent would be washed away...not so, I hived the thrid swarm from that same branch today.  Keep an eye on that tree...you might find another swarm on it.

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Re: Happiness turns to heartbreak then a small amount of hope
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2014, 12:22:40 am »
Ed- My bees swarm to these two trees almost every time! Just over our fence




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