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Offline addame

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« on: April 13, 2014, 09:04:30 am »
Hi all,

I have some used material to prepare for this spring and I'm looking for products that are efficient to disinfect it.
I already read that torches are widely used.... I used it for wood material but will certainly not use it for the plastic frames  :D

What do you think on using quicklime combined with bleach to disinfect this material? Of course, I'm planning to rinse them after with clear water.

UPDATE:
I would like to know if quicklime is efficient to disinfect plastic frames I have bought.
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2014, 09:08:44 am »
Material as in wood? What will it be used for, frames? A little more info, please.
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2014, 09:13:37 am »
Acetic acid fumigation supposedly works well and is recommended.
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2014, 10:27:34 am »
Over here we use Virkon S

Its a biological degradable product that is often used in barns and stables and operation theaters.

It comes as a powder that you mix with water and spray on the Surface you want to treat, in the hospitals they make it into a mist to treat a room.

After 15 minutes it dries and the treatment is done and the mixture is inaktive and dosent need any washing of or cleaning.

mvh Edward  :P
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2014, 11:19:41 am »
Addame- my personal opinion would be to Not use bleach on the plastic. Plastic is pourous and even if you rinse there would be minute residue. Keep in mind that I try and stay as natural as possible, others may be fine with bleach.

May I ask what why you are wanting to disinfect to that degree? american foul brood maybe?  :)
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2014, 11:39:49 am »
Quote from: Jen on April 13, 2014, 11:19:41 am
May I ask what why you are wanting to disinfect to that degree? american foul brood maybe?  :)
Jen- It is a used material I bought from a beekeeper and I don't know if it is infected or not. So it is just a precaution to be sure that it will be safe for my bees  :)
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2014, 11:51:32 am »
Good! I'm very cautious about used material as well, especially wood. Last summer I brought home some old used wood frames and was picking out questionable stuff with a straight pin. It was a nice evening with friends over, so I just sat patiently and picked and cleaned those frames, then put them into the freezer for 2-3 days for wax moth prevention.

Presently I'm switching out my plastic frames for wood frames.
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2014, 12:13:44 pm »
Quote from: Edward on April 13, 2014, 10:27:34 am
Over here we use Virkon S

Its a biological degradable product that is often used in barns and stables and operation theaters.

It comes as a powder that you mix with water and spray on the Surface you want to treat, in the hospitals they make it into a mist to treat a room.

After 15 minutes it dries and the treatment is done and the mixture is inaktive and dosent need any washing of or cleaning.

mvh Edward  :P

Hi Edward!
Thank you for the suggestion! It is the first time I heard of Virkon S and fortunately it is available here. 
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 12:45:54 pm »
I would recommend a torch with a blue flame, that's what i used on some plastic foundation. My bees now are alot happier with wax and wood, i'm an organic beekeeper. :laugh: :laugh: Sorry i couldn't help it, i done it for a couple of my buddies on the forum. Jack
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2014, 12:53:35 pm »
Quote from: brooksbeefarm on April 13, 2014, 12:45:54 pm
I would recommend a torch with a blue flame, that's what i used on some plastic foundation. My bees now are alot happier with wax and wood, i'm an organic beekeeper. :laugh: :laugh: Sorry i couldn't help it, i done it for a couple of my buddies on the forum. Jack

brooksbeefarm, It's on the table as a last option  :laugh:
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2014, 12:59:19 pm »
Quote from: brooksbeefarm on April 13, 2014, 12:45:54 pm
I would recommend a torch with a blue flame, that's what i used on some plastic foundation. My bees now are alot happier with wax and wood, i'm an organic beekeeper. :laugh: :laugh: Sorry i couldn't help it, i done it for a couple of my buddies on the forum. Jack

   Oooohhhhhhkaaay... that was my blonde moment for the day...
   I am thinking... blue flame.. how is he going to keep the plastic from warping from that amount of heat???   Then the bell went off...  OH!!! It's Jack.. apply blue flame long enough there IS no warping to be concerned about.....
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2014, 01:14:51 pm »
""Oooohhhhhhkaaay... that was my blonde moment for the day...""

Scott...  it's because you are 50 years and one day old today.. the blond moments are gonna be with you every day now, it happens over night I Swear To God! It's okay hon, you're gonna be fine!
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2014, 02:46:08 pm »
Quote from: addame on April 13, 2014, 12:13:44 pm
Quote from: Edward on April 13, 2014, 10:27:34 am
Over here we use Virkon S

Its a biological degradable product that is often used in barns and stables and operation theaters.

It comes as a powder that you mix with water and spray on the Surface you want to treat, in the hospitals they make it into a mist to treat a room.

After 15 minutes it dries and the treatment is done and the mixture is inactive and does not need any washing of or cleaning.

mvh Edward  :P
Hi Edward!
Thank you for the suggestion! It is the first time I heard of Virkon S and fortunately it is available here.

You spend a lot of time skraping scrubbing and washing old Dirty equipment, it´s hard work

To make sure that you get all the bugs spraying the stuff after all the hard work makes sense

mvh Edward  :P
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2014, 01:10:35 am »
addame,
my humble personal opinion.......for all the trouble you will go through with these used frames after you disinfect them.....and you will need to recoat and add wax to them.......i would just start anew with frames and foundation of your choice, either beeswax or waxed plastic foundation, for me, it wouldn't be worth the hassle and i wouldn't be comfortable putting it in my hives.  that's just me.

this is the problem with purchasing equipment from others and not knowing.  just my humble one hive tool on this.... :)
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Re: quicklime
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2014, 05:40:44 pm »
Hi All,

Here is an update: here is a picture of what the frames look like.


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Re: quicklime
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2014, 07:47:41 pm »
Quote from: riverbee on April 14, 2014, 01:10:35 am
addame,
my humble personal opinion.......for all the trouble you will go through with these used frames after you disinfect them.....and you will need to recoat and add wax to them.......i would just start anew with frames and foundation of your choice, either beeswax or waxed plastic foundation, for me, it wouldn't be worth the hassle and i wouldn't be comfortable putting it in my hives.  that's just me.

this is the problem with purchasing equipment from others and not knowing.  just my humble one hive tool on this.... :)

This is my opinion also. I'd singe the boxes but before I scrape'd the frames, clean and rewax I think I'd just go new.
Now if some of the comb looked good with no signs of disease I might run them thru the freezer and use them.
I'd be nervous though.
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