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Old Betsy
« on: April 25, 2014, 01:30:26 pm »
Well, my 91 GMC 3/4 ton has been a good and loyal friend. I got her (I'm the 2nd owner) in 2002 to pull our trailer from BC to Nova Scotia, and she has rarely let me down. The last couple of days that rear engine seal that's been dripping over the years got me a couple phone calls saying my truck left a pool in driveways. Sure enough, up on the hoist, she's gone from a drip to an intermittant stream.
It has well over 200,000 kms on it, smokes like crazy when I first start it (guides), the tailpipe fell off a couple weeks ago......... am I near the end with this old girl?
The body is in great shapre, undercoated most years since I've had it. Terrible on gas, but then what 3/4 ton is good? I've hunted around but finding an engine that will be compatible with the computer is not easy. I tracked down a 89 305 that's been sitting for 3 years but I'm told it was good when it was last shut off.
Gas just hit an all-time high here today, $1.46 a litre ($5.50 a gallon US). While having a truck is great for the odd time I pick up lumber and stuff, do I really need a truck? Our old minivan would have be great, way easier access to everything with the back and 2 sliding doors. I could probably put 6 hives in it if I had to. I am doing no pollination so moving hives a lot is now virtually done. Running around the province doing inspections would be cheaper too.
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Re: Old Betsy
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2014, 01:41:10 pm »
Put a rear seal in it and valve guide seals. Parts are cheap and about a days labor.

I just do not see how anybody makes it with out a truck.

Mine has 266,000+ miles on it. Going for 500,000, over half way there  :laugh: I just like to tell everybody my truck is marking his territory (oil spots)

On edit..........about a days labor if you have a conventional rear seal and not the rope type, rope type you will have to pull the oil pan.

A motor that has been sitting for three years could very possibly have the same symptoms with dried out seals, might run good but might be a leaker also.
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Re: Old Betsy
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2014, 01:49:40 pm »
6ft. X 10ft or 12ft trailer
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Re: Old Betsy
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2014, 12:57:37 am »
That truck has a one piece rear main seal. Lower the pan, pull the tranny back about six inches. Put two six inch bolts in the lower bell housing holes and slide the tranny back on those, no alignment issues when it goes back together. Take the flywheel off, then take the bolts out of the aluminum housing that hold the seal, and slide it off the back of the crank hub.  Remove old seal, install new seal, and re assemble. three hours work with a hoist and air tools. I have done a LOT of them.

   Rebuild kit for that engine is about 300 bucks. About 100 dollars for boring and cleaning, and about 45 dollars to get the old pistons pressed off and the new pistons pressed on..
   This is assuming you can do all your own work.  five hundred bucks plus fluids and tune up to rebuild your own engine. I have done a lot of those too..
   



   Old Betty (My truck)....  (One of them)  is an 89. I drive it every day, it still runs on the stock TBI, with a 350 roller cam motor out of an 89 Firebird. Computer compatable is a matter of common sense. If it has a more or less stock cam and compression is not too high the TBI will "learn" to a certain point.
   I have bolted 350's in trucks and vans set up for 305's My last 89.. that I wrecked... dont ask...  had a 383 in it with the stock TBI. I had to put an adjustable fuel pressure regulator in it and venom injectors to get the lean codes to go away.. it ran SOOO nice...   This one will eventually get a 383 in it as well.. just cant justify it while the engine thats in it still runs so good.
   That 91 is easier to fix than most trucks on the road now. There is nothing you cant get for it.
   I will own and drive Betty for the rest of my life, barring another wreck...  I get about 14 running about town and 16ish running down the highway with 31" tires and 4 wheel drive.  She has heavy torsion bars in the front and ten leafs in the back. A hitch and a gooseneck ball in the bed. it has rubber floor mats and roll up windows. it has a CD player, and the AC will give you hypothermia. The bed is lined and I have aluminum rails on the bed so I can drag the chains out without tearing the paint off..  its a truck, it was meant to work, it get abused, and when i break it, it costs me less to fix it than almost any other vehicle I could own. If I dent it, I cry... when it gets a rust hole, I weld in new metal. It is painted with International Harvester Black enamel, so touch ups match and are easy. Painted it myself for less than two hundred bucks..
   Try any of the above on a newer truck and see what it costs. The only better truck to own would be an 80 with a retrofitted TBI because they have solid axles, and the TBI lets it start when the wind is pushing the wind chill to below -50...
   I have less than three thousand dollars in that truck, including a rebuilt trans that cost me 900 bucks and the 500 bucks for the new tires..
   why did I write a book?  To tell you if you get rid of it, you will wish you had it back. Use the van, but park the truck, save the money and fix it when you can. I know you are not likely going to be able to do all the work I mentioned on your own. Look up remanufactured engines. You might THINK it is starting to nickle and dime you to death...  You put the engine in, fix he tailpipe, and the heater motor starts squalling..so you replace that.. then the circuit board for the windshield wiper goes, so you replace that.. then the trans starts slipping.....
   Yep, it does get annoying, but the fact is, ANYTHING you buy used is going to have problems of one sort or another. When the newness of whatever you replace it with wears off, you will miss that old truck!!!

   I worked on them for Chevrolet, went to school for the TBI and have a computer to plug in and get codes and read the sensors, so I do have an advantage.. Wish you lived closer.. I have two 350's on the floor and four in the back of the store. We could update it to Tuned port.

   

   Or if you wanted to go faster?



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Re: Old Betsy
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2014, 06:38:36 am »
Sorry Perry.  G is right, I don't see how any man (or lady for you girly keeps) gets along with out a truck.  Have you seen many old Toyota pickups your way?  Those get better gas mileage.  Too bad you don't live closer to Scott so he could shine with is automotive skills.  And, you don't want your pickup nickle and diming you to death either.

I could also see an old HHR working out for you real well too.  And, in combination with Iddees idea of a trailer.  They discontinued the HHR.
http://www.chevrolet.com/discontinued-vehicle/hhr.html

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Re: Old Betsy
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2014, 06:14:07 pm »
sounds like somebody knows their way around (and inside) an engine.

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Re: Old Betsy
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2014, 08:06:31 pm »
Sorry Perry.  G is right, I don't see how any man (or lady for you girly keeps) gets along with out a truck. 
You are so right blueblood.  This girly keep would love to have a little pick up.  Not having one does put a limit on what you can get done. 

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Re: Old Betsy
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2014, 11:12:55 pm »
Well, Bakers, just open up Craigslist and grab ya one.  You will look out at it one evening and say, I don't know how I ever managed before and will always have one from here on out... 8)