Author Topic: Government in breeding a super honey bee. (Read 18943 times)

tbonekel · « **Reply #20 on:** May 20, 2014, 01:57:56 pm »

Hey maybe we go to the same guy. He changed his price 10 years ago all the way up to$10. I give him a $5 tip.

CpnObvious · « **Reply #21 on:** May 20, 2014, 03:06:14 pm »

Quote from: tbonekel on May 20, 2014, 01:57:56 pm

Hey maybe we go to the same guy. He changed his price 10 years ago all the way up to$10. I give him a $5 tip.

I dunno about that... I think the travel expenses would be killing at least one of us for that tot be the case

Beeboy · « **Reply #22 on:** May 20, 2014, 03:37:12 pm »

Quote from: CpnObvious on May 20, 2014, 03:06:14 pm

Quote from: tbonekel on May 20, 2014, 01:57:56 pm
Hey maybe we go to the same guy. He changed his price 10 years ago all the way up to$10. I give him a $5 tip.
I dunno about that... I think the travel expenses would be killing at least one of us for that tot be the case

Start a study about barbers, & you can probably get the government to pay for your travel at least!

tecumseh · « **Reply #23 on:** May 21, 2014, 06:20:38 am »

I would suggest there is waste everywhere and imho any system is subject to being gamed by employess or management < the current better idea of paying corporate managers six and seven figure salaries and then bragging about it in public should inform folks that this corruption is wide spread and actually accepted by many... actually may be seem by some as a mark of distinction. and as far as what I can see in my own life's experience government gets no automatic pass when it come to waste and abuse. much of this 'gaming' the system (government, academic, business) appears to be simple cronyism since the individuals who command these high salaries or obtains these no tax perks really never got the job based purely on their resume or qualification.... this suggest to me that society values more who you know than what you know..... or that knowledge and learning are once again discounted and devalued. which I guess is why some folks are so attracted to political figures who by all appearance and what ever evidence you can ring out of their resume's should inform everyone quite clearly that they are either intellectually lazy or IDIOTS or perhaps both.

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #24 on:** May 21, 2014, 09:23:00 am »

I agree with you 100% this time Tech. I do believe there is a difference between Govt and big business. Big business has the right to pay whoever they want what ever they want.. THEY make their money. Our Govt gets its money from the people of this country. They DO NOT have the right to do with it as they please, though they appear to think that they do.

tecumseh · « **Reply #25 on:** May 22, 2014, 06:36:36 am »

well to correct you perception here a wee bit LazyBkpr business may or may not make that money, but this money does not belong to either the board of directors or management. at the end of the process it belongs to the stock holders. at one time LazyBkpr there was a business ethics that management looked after first the stock holders, secondly their customers and thirdly their employees. now management (which appears to be an insider's game) screws all of these to pad their own pockets. net effect is you the consumer get the opportunity to purchase pick up trucks that cost $50000 and fuel that cost $4/gallon.

given the scale of the two enterprises (government vs business) there is with out a doubt (at least in my own small mind) much more corruption in business than you will ever discover in government.

most peoples basic problem when it comes to these kinds of problems is to start with the proper question.... can this problem (whatever problem) be resolved by private enterprise (ie business small or large) or does the problem require the resources and focus of society to get to some kind of resolution or solution. you have to be totally blind to the realities of life if you are a TRUE BELIEVER that private enterprise will resolves all the problems of mankind.

iddee · « **Reply #26 on:** May 22, 2014, 07:59:34 am »

When you have two totally "out yonder" entities like big business ad government, "many times the same folks", I don't understand how anyone can come to bat for either. Both are completely corrupt.

Beeboy · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2014, 08:38:56 am »

Quote from: iddee on May 22, 2014, 07:59:34 am

When you have two totally "out yonder" entities like big business ad government, "many times the same folks", I don't understand how anyone can come to bat for either. Both are completely corrupt.

Well said!

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2014, 09:13:03 am »

I dont have any false beliefs I am aware of... Nothing can resolve the problems of mankind, because mankind creates his own problems. Give man a perfect life he will figure out some way to make it more difficult. Marriage for instance.....

brooksbeefarm · « **Reply #29 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:06:14 am »

Politicians seem to have forgot that they work for US, not US working for them.

When it first started they served for love of country Now it's for love of Money. I wonder how dedicated they would be if they were put on minimum wag without a automatic raise each year.

This is Not the America i grew up in and loved, just to much greed and people wanting power over others anymore.

. Sorry for the rant, but politicians pee me off.

Jack

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #30 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:21:24 am »

As intended originally it was not a lifelong profession and the money compensated was a small amount compared to what a man normally made. Give Anyone the power to give themselves a raise and what do you think will happen?
I am with you Jack.. thankfully I can love my country while feeling quite the opposite toward the Govt.

CpnObvious · « **Reply #31 on:** May 22, 2014, 12:22:01 pm »

I know I kind of fell into the shallow end of this pool for a moment, and that I'm also a newbie/pee-on here... But do we really want this forum to turn into a politically-fueled discussion board? I believe the initial topic/discussion of this thread was great, and I certainly have my own political beliefs about how things should be handled, I'm just wondering if we, as a group, want to go down this endless, ugly road.

P.S.: Believe you me, I could certainly put my two cents into this... I'm holdin' back.

Slowmodem · « **Reply #32 on:** May 22, 2014, 12:45:49 pm »

Quote from: brooksbeefarm on May 22, 2014, 10:06:14 am

When it first started they served for love of country Now it's for love of Money.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. Ben Franklin got into government so he could get the printing contracts.

riverbee · « **Reply #33 on:** May 22, 2014, 01:07:29 pm »

"I'm also a newbie/pee-on here... But do we really want this forum to turn into a politically-fueled discussion board? I believe the initial topic/discussion of this thread was great, and I certainly have my own political beliefs about how things should be handled, I'm just wondering if we, as a group, want to go down this endless, ugly road.
P.S.: Believe you me, I could certainly put my two cents into this... I'm holdin' back."

capn, first, no one here is a peon.....second, sometimes threads go astray. good point about the topic of discussion. general comments that are made, great. keep it respectful to one another, and not zero in on any specific individual or party. what we don't want to see is a politically charged discussion/contest/bashing that winds up pissing members off, if it does the thread gets locked and it goes away, and personally none of us in admin/mods like to be thread police. we aren't kindergartners here.

so now back to the topic of discussion.

Beeboy · « **Reply #34 on:** May 22, 2014, 09:53:22 pm »

Quote from: CpnObvious on May 22, 2014, 12:22:01 pm

I know I kind of fell into the shallow end of this pool for a moment, and that I'm also a newbie/pee-on here... But do we really want this forum to turn into a politically-fueled discussion board? I believe the initial topic/discussion of this thread was great, and I certainly have my own political beliefs about how things should be handled, I'm just wondering if we, as a group, want to go down this endless, ugly road.

P.S.: Believe you me, I could certainly put my two cents into this... I'm holdin' back.

I think it would be great to have a certain part if the forum dedicated to politics, where members can take the gloves off and let it fly. If any members don't want to partake of it, then don't go there, because that's what you'll find. I realize that I am only one member, and I may be the only member on here that would like to see something like this, but it can be fun and informative. Another sports forum I used to hang out on did this and it was a lot of fun, and seriously, it is an opportunity to hear the other side of the story, and get a different perspective. There has to be some rules of conduct for such a place, but it is a doable thing. I wish the boss around here would let us do it.

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #35 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:00:30 pm »

hehe, this thread is about as far as I go. Im not a dedicated member of any party but live and love my way of life, and believe it is being taken away, one piece at a time.. so the willingness to get very violent is already there, and a forum is not the place for it because when I get wound up the wife is the one who pays for it with me pacing about for hours... I would have no disagreement with a specific place for it, because as you said, I just wouldnt go there

riverbee · « **Reply #36 on:** May 23, 2014, 12:14:24 am »

thanks scott for your reply to beeboy's question. i tend to agree.

beeboy~
"I think it would be great to have a certain part if the forum dedicated to politics, where members can take the gloves off and let it fly. If any members don't want to partake of it, then don't go there, because that's what you'll find. I realize that I am only one member, and I may be the only member on here that would like to see something like this, but it can be fun and informative. Another sports forum I used to hang out on did this and it was a lot of fun, and seriously, it is an opportunity to hear the other side of the story, and get a different perspective. There has to be some rules of conduct for such a place, but it is a doable thing. I wish the boss around here would let us do it. "

perhaps iddee will address your question beeboy.
i will speak as an individual member of the forum, and not as a moderator.....i don't visit a beekeeping forum to discuss politics or to take the gloves off and let it fly. i am here to enjoy, learn, talk bees and help others to do the same, bees, not politics, or any other hot button. that's not why i am here, and i don't have time for it. avoid, or don't go there? it's not why we are here, and we are an international bee forum. we have members in canada and across the pond, not sure these members care to read the let it fly opinions of american politics. it really has no place here, and i would say as an individual member, go somewhere else if that's what your looking for. that's just my opinion as an individual member.

as a moderator? i can say this, i have had and have the privilege of working with a great team to be a part of and help build this forum from it's start to what it is; collective minds, volunteering a great deal of time, from all walks of life who have and continue to make decisions collectively.......and a 'boss' who is purely interested in passing along his knowledge of the craft of keeping bees and encouraging others to do so in a very welcoming, friendly atmosphere. all of us, admins/mods are on the same page in that regard, and that's what makes this forum what it is and different than others.

tecumseh · « **Reply #37 on:** May 23, 2014, 05:36:45 am »

an iddee snip...
'When you have two totally "out yonder" entities like big business ad government, "many times the same folks", I don't understand how anyone can come to bat for either. Both are completely corrupt.'

tecumseh...
great sentence iddee. we are absolutely in agreement here. < I have long though (via my own education and work experience) that any number of of current problems are about scale or size of enterprises.

as some here know there is very little in political thinking that iddee and I share. on the other hand we rarely disagree about beekeeping. invariable in the political threads on most forums many get over awed by the differences and no longer can see the common ground. I pity the poor moderators that must ride over those kinds of discussion and invariable they also seem to breed moderators that cannot get beyond their own person bias. imho this is not good chemistry for good people to people interactions.

and kind of back to topic > the total money 'to breed a better bee' is really petty cash in todays thinking. Actually we should have spent this money decades ago when varroa first arrived and long before most, if not all, the commercial beekeeper polluted their hives by the increasingly frequent use of insecticide to combat this problem. I am not damming the commercial folks here in that at the time their options were very limited and I do believe that survival is a strong driving force in anything that lives.

Beeboy · « **Reply #38 on:** May 23, 2014, 06:15:54 am »

I appreciate all the feed back on this, and you guys are probably showing a lot more wisdom in the matter than I am. This is an awesome forum, and some of you guys were a part of building it, so your opinion carries a lot in my books. I get and understand all the reasoning behind why you guys feel this way.

Now let's get back to beekeeping!

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #39 on:** May 23, 2014, 08:23:01 am »

Quote from: tecumseh on May 23, 2014, 05:36:45 am

the total money 'to breed a better bee' is really petty cash in todays thinking. Actually we should have spent this money decades ago when varroa first arrived and long before most, if not all, the commercial beekeeper polluted their hives by the increasingly frequent use of insecticide to combat this problem. I am not damming the commercial folks here in that at the time their options were very limited and I do believe that survival is a strong driving force in anything that lives.

Well said!