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AHB found in Colorado
« on: May 19, 2014, 02:07:29 pm »


Africanized bees found in Colorado, farthest north migration

Denver | Reuters -- Africanized honey bees have turned up in Colorado, officials said Tuesday, surprising scientists who previously doubted they could survive winters at northern latitudes.
The Mesa County Health Department said in a statement that a peach grower contacted authorities last month to report abnormally aggressive behaviour at a beehive on his orchard in Palisade, Colorado, about 70 km east of the Utah border.
Specimens were shipped to a U.S. Department of Agriculture laboratory in California, and the hive was destroyed, the department said.
“This is the farthest north that Africanized honey bees have been reported,” the health department said.
Bob Hammon, an entomologist with Colorado State University’s Tri-River Extension office in western Colorado, said the fact that the bees were found in the spring suggests they survived through the winter.
Sometimes dubbed “killer bees” because of the aggressive way they defend colonies and hives, the Africanized bees first arrived in the Western Hemisphere in the 1950s when they were brought to a facility in Brazil.
The plan was to breed them with more docile European bees to boost honey production, but some of the Africanized bees escaped into the wild and the first colonies reached the U.S. in 1990, Hammon said.
While the venom from an Africanized honey bee is no more potent than that of a European honey bee, the risk of multiple stings makes the Africanized bees especially dangerous.
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 02:53:15 pm »
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 03:01:15 pm »
Once the "genii" has escaped form his bottle, there's no telling where he'll turn up next.

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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 04:46:53 pm »
Well thats not good news...   I am thinking I am glad I have Ultra Breeze suits...
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 07:50:06 pm »
I would like to hear a little more detail on this hive.

Did they truly over winter there, were they brought in from some pollinator, was it a package of bees, was it a dead out that a swarm moved into from a passing through pollinator.


We had a hive turn up two years ago a county away, but turns out they were a package. Never did get any more info on them, like how the keep worked them, was it bad weather or what.
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 11:03:14 pm »
Agree with G3. I lived 60 miles south of there several years ago. That area/town is right on I-70 and its possible that they didn't overwinter but hitched a ride  as there is alot of Nat. Gas drilling in that area so not only alot of thru traffic on the freeway but alot of equipment and containers moving into that area. Jim
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 11:18:24 pm »
kinda like what g said about this, but just would like some details, and the only one with the info is the peach grower.

the guy is a peach grower, so.....where did the bees actually come from?  not asking you perry, read the article. the state entomologist from the University of Colorado believes that  because the bees were found in the spring SUGGESTS that they survived or overwintered.  not sure that i am convinced....just saying.  what bothers me are all the other news articles entitled KILLER BEES found in colorado, and no facts to support it, just a suggestion, and stirring up the public through the media. 
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 11:27:23 pm »
Did a search and found a write up from Colo. State University that stated the hive had been re queened in the past two years with a queen purchased from a breeder in a AHB area and that several other hives in that apiary had been used in Ca for pollination. They said the hive overwintered 2013-2014. Jim
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2014, 11:59:07 pm »
thanks jim, can you share the links to what you read? i would be interested, thank you!
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2014, 11:17:06 pm »
Yes mam, Go to colostate.edu and enter AHB in Mesa County in the search box on their  home page. A little more info than the media supplied.

Got to thinking about this and it seems to me that a queen mates with multiple drones and that their deposits are stored but not mixed until she needs them, so I guess that its possible that she may have been a carrier of AHB but did not lay any until this spring, if so then the AHB DID NOT winter over but hatched out this spring. As the hive was destroyed and not studied into winter and next spring we will not know if they can overwinter that far north.

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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2014, 04:05:48 am »
You were raised well Bsweet.   And the title is definitely proper when applied to Riverbee.  BUT, she is not the "standard" lady, but a LADY nonetheless.   ;)

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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2014, 05:58:18 am »
Well thats not good news...   I am thinking I am glad I have Ultra Breeze suits...

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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2014, 06:31:01 am »
a snip..
'Got to thinking about this and it seems to me that a queen mates with multiple drones and that their deposits are stored but not mixed until she needs them'

tecumseh...
well at leasts according to the experts (phd types of some well recognized reputation) it is now fairly well know that the semen a queen stores is somewhat homogenized in the queens spermathica (spellling all wrong).  20 or 30 years ago we though that it was stored in layers and the issue of worker would display similar characteristic until a new batch of semen would start being used and thus the disposition of a hive could change from time to time based on the influence of the drones.  via the experts we now know that this thinking is out dated and largely incorrect.

I would suspect that the ahb hive did not over winter in Colorado.  I know there is some media hype on the net which suggest (at least to the uninformed) that ahb can overwinter in colder climates but this 'information' looks to me like it is staged to suggest a message regarding basic bee behavior that looks exactly opposite to what my own eyes and experience suggests.  or as the old saw goes.... who am I to believe some media person or my own lying eyes??? 

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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2014, 06:54:12 am »
They will eventually adapt to the winters in Colorado I fear.
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2014, 07:26:00 am »
Tec.  Thanks for the knowledge update as always I'm behind on power curve. Jim
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2014, 07:43:34 am »
They will eventually adapt to the winters in Colorado I fear.

I tend to agree with you, but that may not mean they will remain their mean self. I think they will adapt, but what if they adapt the right way, nice, but still be producing monsters. Wouldn't that be great!

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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2014, 08:24:52 am »
My understanding is that they tend to become calmer and less aggressive as they move north. AHB have been found in Maine and NY in the past. They came up on pollination trucks and their drones mated with local queens. Resulting in hives that carry the gene but act mostly like normal hives. When I bring up queens from FL I get the occasional hot hive and suspect that the queen is AHB or mated with AHB drones.

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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2014, 12:10:02 pm »
I'm probably way off base here but I recall reading (or dreaming?) that the AHB sperm were actually  more active and quicker at fertilizing eggs than European sperm...  That a queen fertilized by both AHB drones and EHB drones will first produce workers with AHB traits due to the AHB sperm beating the EHB to the eggs.  As the AHB sperm is used up in the queen the EHB sperm begins to have an influence and the colony eventually "cools down" somewhat.  Seems that AHB queens emerge a day earlier than EHB queens and thus kill the EHB queens which promotes the developement and spread of AHB swarms/colonies.

tec, with you being down in AHB territory, what do you think about the above?  Anything to it?

Whatever the case, it makes you wonder about what was "seeded" in that area from that AHB colony's, maybe even swarms. :(

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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2014, 03:02:02 pm »
I hadnt heard that, but had heard the drones being smaller from natural cell were quicker than european drones, and so had a better chance of successful mating...     
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Re: AHB found in Colorado
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2014, 06:04:39 pm »
Ditto on the AHB drones being faster than the EHB drones.  It just seems that the AHB are faster in most regards than what the EHB are...I guess we could even note that they're quicker to swarm or abscond, also.

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