Author Topic: You're kidding, right? (Read 17965 times)

Perry · « **on:** September 06, 2014, 10:37:13 pm »

2 actual emails I received today, one from a private individual, another through our Association:

#1 - Message: Since a few months there has been bees going up my siding , I had the pest control here twice to spray but they are still going up the siding. There has been 5 in my basement alive.I know that there is a nest somewhere up there , I need help , I do not know what to do .

#2 -Message to our Association: I just wondered if you could tell me where I could get any bee by products in the Kentville or surrounding area to bait bear with? I can't find a directory online for bee keepers to contact, except (deleted). Thanks. Please contact me via email.

My answer to #1:
Perry Brandt here responding to your email.
If they are honey bees I may have been able to put you in touch with someone who would have been willing to remove them alive (I do in the Wolfville and surrounding areas), but given they have been sprayed, any comb, honey or brood will now be heavily contaminated and most beekeepers will not be interested.
Sorry I could not be of any more help.

My response to the other Association directors regarding #2:
Perhaps a response advising him that the last thing we want to do is encourage, entice or teach bears to go after hive materials.
Clearly this gentleman has not thought it through or he would not have made such a request.

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #1 on:** September 06, 2014, 10:45:05 pm »

whoooeeee You do get the good ones Perry!

Perry · « **Reply #2 on:** September 06, 2014, 10:56:24 pm »

In regards to #2:
Baiting and hunting, two words that just don't belong together. I understand one, but not the other.
Now that I've said it, I'll sit back and wait for the shoe to drop.

Jen · « **Reply #3 on:** September 06, 2014, 10:56:59 pm »

Ya know Perry how you really tried to watch my sobbing vid when I showed my honey pic. Well, I'm really trying to not get on my saopbox regarding hunting bear. Just so you know my friend, I'm trying real hard. Oh! and it's not you, it's caller #2

barry42001 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 06, 2014, 11:50:51 pm »

Jen, you know bear's with great regularity destroy outyards. Black bear's are in no way scarce or endangered. Not a bear hunter myself, but thinning the herd is probably preferable to those that would set out poisoned baits that are in no way target specific. As for the simpleton wanting bee products to attract bear's does he have hives? If not have him by a few hives up in the weeds to show how to properly feed the bear's.

Jen · « **Reply #5 on:** September 06, 2014, 11:54:51 pm »

Yah So?

barry42001 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 06, 2014, 11:56:49 pm »

Accidentally hit post

Jen · « **Reply #7 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:15:34 am »

Jen, you know bear's with great regularity destroy outyards. Black bear's are in no way scarce or endangered. Not a bear hunter myself, but thinning the herd is probably preferable to those that would set out poisoned baits that are in no way target specific. As for the simpleton wanting bee products to attract bear's does he have hives? If not have him by a few hives up in the weeds to show how to properly feed the bear's.

Guess I'm gonna have to get on my soapbox about hunting. I really tried Perry

Okay So! I'm all about game managment, I'm a deer hunter myself... killed, gutted, and skinned, in the freezer. My problem with bear hunting is that: It is no sport to have a pack of hounds chase a bear up a tree and shoot it out of the tree. It is no sport to set a trap for a bear to get snagged in then shoot it while it's still in the trap. I don't believe in tree stands where the hunter sits up high and shoots the bear/deer from the stand. When I hunt, my two legs are on the ground, and the game that I am hunting has it's four legs on the ground.

"does he have hives? If not have him by a few hives up in the weeds to show how to properly feed the bear's"

Would you clarify this last sentence Dear Barry

scratching head

barry42001 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:37:50 am »

Lol. Luv,
By using hive product's is encouraging( like hungry bear's need encouragement lol), so if that gentleman wants to entice bear's to dine on honey or bee brood which is actually what the bear's are looking for to start with, honey is desert. Point is dearo, is bear's need to be made to shy away from people not come closer.
Last post line should have read...have him buy a few hives and place them in the weeds, to show us how to properly feed the bear's. Was being facetious....

Perry · « **Reply #9 on:** September 07, 2014, 07:00:05 am »

Good morning folks.
I should have been more careful, I post late at night (for me) sometimes, and perhaps I should "sleep on it" before I start an inflammatory thread or post!

This one is entirely my fault, I should have kept the post about hunting and baiting to myself.
To clarify, I understand hunting, don't have a problem with it as long as things are done in a humane way. I love a good deer steak as much as the next person.
Baiting, on the other hand, is a whole other story IMHO.
Enough about that here though. Let's let the thread continue based on the thought of using bee by products as bait.
Personally I do not believe that the use of bee by products should be used in the baiting of bears (season is open here at the moment). My own reasoning on this is that if piles of bait are left out for bears to discover, are we not then "teaching" them where are good supply of food can be found? I am assuming of course that these stands are not manned 24/7, and every bear finding them will not neccessarily be bagged. Thier experience could lead to thier next meal may be on a members hives.

Slowmodem · « **Reply #10 on:** September 07, 2014, 08:54:02 am »

Speaking of bears, this is a great great uncle of mine:

http://www.bryangroup.net/whiteheadreunion/stories.htm

lazy shooter · « **Reply #11 on:** September 07, 2014, 09:11:50 am »

Quote from: Slowmodem on September 07, 2014, 08:54:02 am

Speaking of bears, this is a great great uncle of mine:

http://www.bryangroup.net/whiteheadreunion/stories.htm

That is an amazing link. Slow modem you have descended from good stock. Do well in your lifetime.

lazy shooter · « **Reply #12 on:** September 07, 2014, 09:22:59 am »

I don't hunt much any more. I have been an avid hunter, and I do not believe in baiting or hunting from commercial blinds. My sons walk out on the ranch and either stalk or still hunt, but still hunting is sitting on one's butt behind natural brush blinds. I have my boys shoot two doe per year, and if they don't want to do it, then I do my own dirty work. I have one doe made into ground meat and one of them is butchered and packaged. I give the packaged venison to an old Mexican lady that is a close neighbor (three miles distant).

Many of our deer hunters shoot from "heated" deer blinds and have feeders set up around the blinds. I sure don't like poison baits as they kill many innocent animals. Like Perry, using bee products for bait will whet the appetites of bears. Bears and raccoons are cousins, and I can attest to the fact that "coons" are smart, and I bet that bears are also. Once they have a taste of honey and brood it will stay in their minds.

barry42001 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 07, 2014, 10:25:25 am »

Perry,
I am a hunter, mostly deer, but also small game as well. I have never, nor will I ever " hunt " over bait, or run dogs. It's between me and my target. As I stated earlier, using hive product to bait bear's, is like bait with chickens for hawks...not much of a challenge. bear's already tear up whole bee yards, with no encouragement at all.

Perry · « **Reply #14 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:19:32 pm »

If I ever end up in the neighbourhood, you know I'll be expecting a nice deer chop.

Jen · « **Reply #15 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:26:38 pm »

Thanks Chief Unknown! You are an honorable man!

See, I was posting on this thread late last night as well. I erased my last post because I realized that my conversation with Dear Barry was 'tired talk'. Deer season is right around the corner for us as well. Although I'm sad to see the summer wain, I do enjoy the hunting comradery with hubby, son, and many others that visit our humble home during this time of year. And, I'm happy that none of us enjoy hunting bear. Maybe, it's because I am a decendant of the bear tribe where my blood runs deep. Maybe it's because it's so rare to see a bear in the wild, that when I do, it's like spotting the queen bee... it takes my breath away.

Dunkel · « **Reply #16 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:38:22 pm »

Hunting techniques vary a lot based on animal, terrain, and vegetation. I have hunted in many places where the tactics that worked in one area didn't work in another. Reminds me of beekeeping, everything is local.

brooksbeefarm · « **Reply #17 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:39:53 pm »

My son is in Idaho this week hunting Elk with his Bow and carries a 44 mag. pistol in case a grizzly wants him for a meal

. He is 43 yrs. old and has been hunting and fishing from age 8 yrs. old. We are getting more Bears and Mountain lions in the areas that i have out yards (never had coons bother hives only corn and grapes), i don't bother them unless they cause me problems, then the hillbilly comes out in me and the hunt is on. When people call me to clean up the mess that a pest control co. failed to do, i tell them to call them back, that i don't want damaged bees and next time they or anyone they know has a bee problem call a beekeeper first. I've had several of these calls over the years

. Jack
PS.I sleep with a Bear, made love to a Bear, and have fed and protected her from 1959 and still do to this day, how much tougher can you get than that. She calls herself Mrs. Brooks nowaday.

Jack

Perry · « **Reply #18 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:45:18 pm »

You best sleep with one eye open Jack, especially if she reads your last post.

Riverrat · « **Reply #19 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:47:41 pm »

Well I spent the last 3 days in a tree stand above a trap and a bait hive waiting for the right moment to bag a bear. Then the farmer came around and told me we no longer have bears in Kansas.

who would have thought.. I couldnt help it Jen I had to do it. But I will say I agree with you on the sport of hunting. They have made it to easy.