Author Topic: Ebola and other things. (Read 9507 times)

barry42001 · « **on:** October 06, 2014, 02:45:53 pm »

Does anyone believe the regulatory agencies are doing their job, or is sealing yourself in a plastic tent ( with a/c and year supply of granola bars ;-) and your rifle w/ 200 rounds just in case of ISIS :-P) suddenly seem appealing?

iddee · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2014, 02:52:06 pm »

I think most government agency employees took the job so they wouldn't have to do anything, and nothing is exactly what they do. I think ebola may reduce the welfare recipients along with the contributors until a cure and vaccine is found, like polio was in the 40's and 50's.

Gypsi · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2014, 02:55:28 pm »

I live in Texas. I live less than 50 miles from the idiots at Texas Presbyterian Hospital and less than 500 miles from the idiot inhabiting the governor's mansion in Austin. What a Texas hospital does when you enter the emergency room:

1. you have good insurance - tell you you need an emergency gall bladder removal for that minor case of Taco Bell heartburn you've got going.

2. you have no insurance - write a prescription and send you home.

Which is exactly what they did when the first ebola case showed up in their ER. And what I expected them to do.

Texas has a 100% for profit health care system. Tort reform has made it impossible to sue bad doctors or bad hospitals so they are all still in business. I do not have health insurance because if for some reason I am unconscious and someone takes me to a hospital, I want to be sent home.

The feds are doing a good job and it is a good thing they are here. Ebola is not nearly as infectious as enterovirus 68, and if we didn't have idiots running hospitals that are more concerned with their vacation home than health care, the situation would not have gotten loose to begin with.

iddee · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:01:18 pm »

Careful Gypsi, you're getting very close to politics there, and I have gotten my hand smacked a time or two for that.

Gypsi · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:12:48 pm »

well i have no more to say. for profits hospitals just killed my uncle. I am in a black mood this year. And maybe next year and the year after. And I do not go to doctors anymore.

Gypsi · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:17:29 pm »

Did you know they recommend routine colonoscopies at age 50 with a 40% chance of a rupture and a 50% chance of an incurable hospital borne infection and this is PREVENTATIVE health care?

I'd sooner see a witch doctor.

iddee · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:23:20 pm »

I agree completely. My wife's brother had polio. He lived with us for 40 years. All his medical was medicaid. We took him to the er at midnight. They took his info and let him sit until 1:30 AM. We gave up and took him home. They never spoke to him. They billed medicaid for over a thousand dollars. I called medicaid. They said it was too small an amount for them to bother with. That's my opinion of hospitals AND government workers.

Gypsi · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:31:02 pm »

Iddee,

Hospitals in Texas are killing patients with or without insurance. Better insurance is not better health care, it is more intrusive tests, possibly deliberately induced infections, run the bill up til the insurance runs out, 5 doctors swinging by the ER that the patient never saw, half of whom are out of network, so people who are not poor, not on medicaid, are ending up bankrupted by $300,000 bills for a night at the ER. And Austin passed tort reform sometime in the last 10 years making it impossible to sue this hospitals. Medicaid or medicare and No care is safer in Texas. Literally. Short of ebola or enterovirus 68 or a ruptured appendix it is better not to see a physician unless you personally know they are qualified and it is in their office, not in a hospital.

I don't know if the feds will do a good job, but they can't do worse than bean counters filling the ceo's bank accounts.

Beeboy · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2014, 04:30:30 pm »

I agree with you on the hospital being all for profit, but to say the feds are doing a good job is a joke. Just so you know I'm not a fan of the federal government no matter which party is running/ruining it.

riverbee · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2014, 05:21:31 pm »

"Careful Gypsi, you're getting very close to politics there".

the politics started with the first post and we let it stand. for the time being.
guns; while many of us carry them and are responsible gun owners, they don't solve problems. let's not light up the thread over either.

Gypsi · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2014, 05:27:54 pm »

I think I am sticking with Lord Acton: Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. Question is, who has the power? I'll leave everyone to figure that out for themselves.

Riverrat · « **Reply #11 on:** October 06, 2014, 05:49:10 pm »

Without getting political and as an Admin I would ask people please don't. There are so many different political views out their sooner or later someone is going to get offended and when you get offended you retaliate with your own views then it turns ugly and I want to have and keep everyone on this forum the big happy beekeeping family we are. With that said. I will say It was just a matter of time before Ebola found its way into the United State. Although I would have like to seen it happen later than sooner. With the world market place and air travel what it is today we will see more and more viruses spread from country to country quicker than we ever seen in the past. Its a part of the 21st century we will have to deal with. Even if we banned travel to the infected country's It still wouldn't stop some one from another country that could have been in a banned area and exposed travel home and then travel to the United states. Or even another possible scenario the aircraft was in the banned area and then flown to another country then on to the united states where exposer to many viruses could be possible without coming into contact with the actual carrier of the virus. This is how the flu and common cold is most commonly spread. They do not disinfect aircraft between arrivals and departures. If I am understanding right unlike aids when it appeared on the scene in the USA there was no cure years out from its outbreak and once infected with the virus it was considered a death sentence. Ebola is very close to getting a vaccine. So If that's the case I don't see a death count like we are seeing in africa. You have to remember we have far better medical care and infrastructure than most African nations do

Gypsi · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2014, 05:57:18 pm »

Thanks Riverrat. I do not think viruses listen to politicians. and as anyone that has ever fought a rough virus knows, about all you can do is keep the patient alive until their body develops antibodies to the virus.

Ebola has never met modern medicine, it seems to be fairly manageable with good hygeine and spread can be stopped with confinement, but we live in a world where confinement is pretty rough to achieve.

As to the original question, whether to build a plastic bubble to hide in - I'm not. And I am far more worried about Enterovirus 68. I have a 4 year old granddaughter in daycare. It is a common practice for working families, including mine, to send sick kids to daycare and school, and my granddaughter has ashthma. E68 is in 46 states and killing children. It looks like a common cold. Now THAT scares the crap out of me.

Riverrat · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2014, 06:13:43 pm »

Quote from: Gypsi on October 06, 2014, 05:57:18 pm

E68 is in 46 states and killing children. It looks like a common cold. Now THAT scares the crap out of me.

Yes we have bigger fish to fry than the Ebola. The e68 virus is a very good example since younger kids have not had there immunities built up like most adults have and have a far greater chance for exposer than we do with Ebola

barry42001 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2014, 06:52:48 pm »

Actually was sarcastic humor, but my lady is a RN in large hospital in Gainesville Florida. Ebola has been introduced to modern medical practices, supportive care is all that can be done for the moment. My lady says in no way is the US healthcare system prepared to handle so virulent a disease like either mentioned. E68 has lower way lower mortality rate then Ebola. AND Ebola is more contagious then we are being led to believe. Nothing political about my comments. The whole ISIS rifle thing was a failed attempt at humor.

iddee · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2014, 06:58:50 pm »

Back to the OP. Are the fed agencies doing their job? To protect themselves, sure......

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/10/tyler-durden/feds-ordered-160000-ebola-hazmat-suits/

I'm betting we can't get one, tho.

Gypsi · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2014, 07:18:58 pm »

Well barry, you know more than the rest of us, as your Lady is "boots on the ground" in health care. In the end life is, death is, and the middle part is. And there is no adequate defense from a lot of it.

My dog's mast cell must have metastasized. Personally I'm not going to be out and about catching much of anything anytime soon. I am blessed with a job that exposes me to germs that bother fish not humans, and lots of stuff that smells bad but isn't toxic. Mostly.

Jen · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2014, 10:42:53 pm »

So Gypsi, do mind if I ask what kind of fish business you run?

Gypsi · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2014, 11:05:06 pm »

I mainly build, repair, renovate, and clean ornamental koi ponds. I also tend some tropical freshwater aquariums

Jen · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2014, 11:40:39 pm »

facsinating