Author Topic: It's not global warming! (Read 29399 times)

Jen · « **Reply #20 on:** October 11, 2014, 01:28:24 pm »

When I was a kid living at the base of a beautiful mountain we had snow up to 7 feet, burried the wire lines on the clothes line, and couldn't see the top of the 6 foot fence for weeks, snow drifts that were higher than the top edge of our windows. Us neighborhood kids were warned to not dig straight into the tall banks and were freshly scrapped from the snow plows to make a caves, because if the upper layer dropped we wouldn't be found until spring. We did it anyway. Haven't seen that kind of snow since... well... when I was a kid

Gypsi · « **Reply #21 on:** October 11, 2014, 06:03:27 pm »

http://www.eurasiareview.com/10102014-peru-oil-important-life/

Oil companies occasionally clean up after themselves in the US, although I think the Arkansas spill and the Enbridge dump in the Kalamazoo river can never be fully re mediated, especially the spill in the river, tar sands don't float, they sink.

The CEO of Exxon is suing the fracking company drilling near his home for lowering his property values, (you can check this on Google, and another complaninant in the suit is Dick Armey, former US Rep for Texas.

The Amazon Rainforest are the lungs of the earth, and there is oil underneath. What is happening there, with less government supervision and no tech savvy residents is pretty bad for its residents, and in the end for the planet. That is what is at the link.

riverbee · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:27:21 pm »

what jack said....

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #23 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:48:26 pm »

It has been a few years since the river has frozen solid here as well.. We used to ride our snowmobiles on the river ice all the time.. Last winter was the first winter in 20 years that river has frozen solid enough to ride on.

Gypsi · « **Reply #24 on:** October 12, 2014, 01:30:56 am »

Hope comes from young people. Just went and heard 5 young men in a band play, I've known them 6 years now, they played my 50th birthday. They all hold day jobs, they perfect their craft on their own time, they work hard and with vision. Pretty sure all my friends are now so mentally old I won't hold another party with a rock band. But I am glad I went to the show. There is much wrong with the world. Nice to be where there is hope...

We have built our future, now they have to build theirs. They are smart, these young people. They think, at least part of the time. There is hope.

brooksbeefarm · « **Reply #25 on:** October 12, 2014, 09:46:09 am »

Being on the farm most of my life i find it hard to believe (the EPA) that methane gas emitted from cows is a bigger problem than carbon monoxide emitted from automobiles. Cows aren't the only producers of methane gas, what about humans, wild animals, other farm animals, and what about horses, i've heard say that there are more horses in the US of A now than there was in the days before auto's and machinery

. Is this true or did i miss something?

Jack

Gypsi · « **Reply #26 on:** October 12, 2014, 10:02:53 am »

Methane is not being trapped properly during natural gas drilling and particularly in hydraulic fracturing, so methane emissions are off the scale, but it isn't my compost pile and it isn't your cows.

The biggest problem with the fossil fuel industry is they are sloppy. If they can get away with cutting corners and not trapping methane, not cleaning oil spills, they do it. Methane is rapidly outpacing carbon dioxide in atmospheric warming. But CO2 is causing the ocean to become acid...

All in all the time for wind and solar is here. and just use less. No matter what the 3% of scientists say.

Lburou · « **Reply #27 on:** October 12, 2014, 03:22:06 pm »

Quote from: brooksbeefarm on October 12, 2014, 09:46:09 am

Being on the farm most of my life i find it hard to believe (the EPA) that methane gas emitted from cows is a bigger problem than carbon monoxide emitted from automobiles. Cows aren't the only producers of methane gas, what about humans, wild animals, other farm animals, and what about horses, i've heard say that there are more horses in the US of A now than there was in the days before auto's and machinery . Is this true or did i miss something? Jack

Horses are not ruminants.

Quote from: Wikipedia

Ruminating mammals include cattle, goats, sheep, giraffes, yaks, deer, camels, llamas, antelope, and some macropods.

An explanation (the details are beyond me, but the general gist is not) about methane in the atmosphere is here.

A volcano can put so much of several chemicals into the air in one eruption as as to render these numbers small by comparison.

I still go with overpopulation and bad leadership in Washington (Congress).

Jen · « **Reply #28 on:** October 12, 2014, 03:44:02 pm »

Lee - "I still go with overpopulation and bad leadership in Washington (Congress).

I would sure like to see our country stay out of the other countries business and start taking care of our own problems.

brooksbeefarm · « **Reply #29 on:** October 12, 2014, 05:08:46 pm »

This may sound political, but not meant that way.
Retired president pay for life-$450.000.00
Senate members pay for life-$174.000.00
Speaker of the house pay for life time-$223.500.00
Majority/Minority leaders pay for life-$194.000.00
Average salaryof soldier deployed to Afghanistan- $38.000.00
Average seniors on Scoial Security- $12.000.00
I think we found where the cuts should be.

Hmmmm, by the way, i don't remember voting on this do you, after all they do work for us.

Jack
PS. a cousin from Texas sent me this info.

Gypsi · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2014, 05:41:42 pm »

Jack. that makes sense.

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:02:55 pm »

At the risk of sounding like I dislike our govt.... I think they should all be removed.. by whatever means necessary. ALL laws benefits etc should revert at least 20 years, preferably 40, and a govt of the people, by the people, and for the people installed.. and from that point, once again start moving forward... Just to keep them honest.. a thermonuclear bomb planted UNDER the building where they are to meet, and to work each day. the person who controls the bomb will be the one who sits and watches the daily poll from the People of this country... When they decide to pass something a amajority do not want.. Like Obamacare... that fellow pushes the button, and we start all over again...

kebee · « **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:12:21 pm »

LazyBkpr I am with you on that except the bomb.

Ken

brooksbeefarm · « **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:43:05 pm »

By there own actions they have proven we don't need a congress,look what a savings that would be to the tax payers.

Jack

Jen · « **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:50:35 pm »

Remember Ross Perot? Now, that was the first time that I actually understood what it might mean to put a business man/woman in the seat. His run for presidency made me think ouside of politics and into the real world of finance. I'm not against that idea. And, I'll bet if got a business minded man/woman in the seat, more of our money would stay here on US soil.

Gypsi · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:11:50 pm »

after citizens united? It would be a koch, and not pretty.

And now we need educated citizens capable of comprehending high school civics which are apparently not taught anymore..

I'm encouraging granddaughter to learn german. http://thinkprogress.org/education/2014/10/01/3574551/germany-free-college-tuition/

riverbee · « **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:32:28 pm »

let's get back on topic to the original post of the thread.........

global warming....
politicians do create a lot of global warming and so do our political opinions........

lee's initial post, and let's keep on topic to it......

"I'm openminded about this climate change issue....Our Spaceship Earth has been warming for more than 10,000 years, its a fact. But I reject the panic. Just last year the alarmists pointed to the shrinking ice pack and, red-in-the-face, yelled "Its Global warming, its Global warming!". This year the ice pack is trending in the opposite direction, but "its not global warming". You can't have it both ways and have any believability.

P.S. I remember a Time magazine cover in the 1970's that reported 'experts' were warning of a rapid change in weather, signaling the coming of an ice age. We have a lot of technology blooming now that was not available even ten years ago. We don't know what to do with it. You can't take weather records for one hundred or two hundred years and extrapolate a forecast for the future, much less say the ocean will rise 100 feet in this century without some hysteria and some hype. We don't have a good track record predicting the weather. "

Gypsi · « **Reply #37 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:00:46 pm »

Global warming is an incorrect term. The correct term is climate change, which will make some places hotter, some places colder, in my opinion is going to significantly increase storm damage in coastal areas and some non-coastal areas such as arizona and new mexico, both of whom have been hammered by hurricanes this year.

I suspect that Japan and Florida will both sink. Our largest naval base on the east coast is in Norfolk Virginia, and it is a poster child for climate change, it is sinking so fast.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/environment/norfolk-virginia-the-poster-child-for-climate-change/article/385295

Some east coast states have banned the measurement and reporting of tidal changes and flooding for fear of the damage to their economies. Florida's sinkholes are being caused in part by ocean acidification softening the limestone under the state and I don't want to be at disneyworld theme park when it sinks, so far one resort went underground overnight August 13 2013. I had to pick the date up from an Australian site, as these things will hurt the economy if they hit the US news. http://www.smh.com.au/world/sinkhole-swallows-florida-resort-villa-20130813-2rsye.html

Certainly there is much to be said about news bias and under reporting. I have to go to world news to get US news about climate change and environmental issues, because the "liberal" us news is not owned by liberals, it is owned by very large industries with vested interest in not telling the truth.

pistolpete · « **Reply #38 on:** October 13, 2014, 01:02:13 am »

I'm with you all the way on climate change Gypsi. It's real and it's happening now. 97% of the scientists who are involved in studying the issue agree on that (and it's extremely rare to get that kind of consensus in academia). The problem is that climate has overlapping long and short term cycles, many of which we are just starting to understand. So making any kind of meaningful predictions about what exactly will happen in our lifetimes is just about impossible. My feeling is that the earth is in for a rough couple of centuries and our kids will have to be both adaptable and resourceful to survive and thrive. After that we'll be out of fossil fuels and over the mass extinctions and the earth will reach a new equilibrium of some sort. 10 000 years ago 1/2 of this continent was covered by two miles of ice, perhaps 10 000 years form now it will be again.

My personal hope is that the oceans will prove to be a more potent carbon sink than we think and global warming will not be as severe as the worst case projections.

iddee · « **Reply #39 on:** October 13, 2014, 07:03:06 am »

Be a little more clear, Pete. 97% agree on "natural" climate change. A majority do not agree on "man-made" climate change.