It's not global warming!

[brooksbeefarm]

Everything on earth belongs here or it wouldn't be here, it's how man treats it and rearranges it that becomes the problem. JMHO. Jack

[Gypsi]

Actually Iddee, 97% of climate scientists say man's industry and man's activities are contributing to climate change.

https://secure2.edf.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=2361&utm_campaign=secure2-edf-share&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social-media

I sign a LOT of petitions.  And sometimes it works. I sign petitions boycotting food companies that are cutting down indonesian forests to raise cheap palm oil. At least 2 of the bigger food companies have started holding their palm oil suppliers to a slightly higher standard, and hopefully stop razing forests killing orangutans and elephants.  How is that related to climate change?  Forests are carbon sinks absorbing CO2 and giving off oxygen, also holding moisture and affecting weather patterns

[iddee]

Contribute....??  If I step outside at night and urinate in the back yard, I contribute to the local ground water.

The majority of scientists today say global warming, global cooling, is nothing but an agenda. The vast majority of weather change is natural.

PS. Your link is a great example of someone's agenda.  The big DONATE button at the top tells it all.

[Gypsi]

I have saved $2400 a year on heating and cooling since I painted my roof white Iddee, and went to a modest wood stove and beefed up my windows, so I can afford to donate wherever I like, including bee forums.

And I do donate to some groups. I am a Sierra Club member.  I am a member of Union of Concerned Scientists.  And I am a member of this bee forum which I haven't decided whether to donate to yet.   EDF does some good work and so does Earthjustice, but I am not wealthy enough to support every group I sign petitions with and join with in spirit.

To each their own, but I certainly am entitled to my own views. 

And my children and grandchildren are entitled to clean air and water.   Even the CEO of Exxon is suing a fracking company for making a mess and lowering his property values. But you just keep on donating wherever you like.  You get what you pay for!

[iddee]

WHOA, gypsi, whoa. There were no personal feelings meant in my post. That is one thing stressed here. Post your opinion, but let others post theirs as well. If we all thought the very same, there would be no need for discussions, therefore, no need for a forum.

Citizens with different opinions is what keeps America balanced, and the greatest country on earth.

Keep'em coming......

[Gypsi]

No personal feelings taken. I live in North Texas. I hold my own and have my own opinions and those differ from most of my neighbors.  But I work hard, mind my own business, help keep the neighborhood safe so they put up with me.  We all have basically the same size house and I have the lowest utility bills in the area. So far someone else got a white roof. I try to be contagious, I save money and live better. And I donate to help people who choose to get smarter have access to information

The Koch Brothers pay for Fox news, so it is free misinformation.  Their profits from coal oil and tarsands depend on misinformation.

[pistolpete]

Well, iddee, if you want opinions, here's mine:  denying that global warming is happening is kind of like denying gravity.  You can deny all you want, but it isn't going away.   Average global temperatures have already risen approximately two degrees in the last century as a direct result of human activities.  Sure, there are plenty of natural cyclical climate changes superimposed on that trend, but the average increase is there.   Seven of the ten warmest years on record have happened since the year 2000.   Climate scientist agree on these points, they just don't agree on what that means to the future of the planet.

I don't really need scientific data to confirm what I have personally witnessed.  I have dived on reefs killed by warm temperatures in 3 different oceans.  I have visited glaciers in the swiss alps and canadian rockies that have retreated miles from historic levels in the last 20 years.   I live right in the middle of a forest the size of Texas devastated by mountain pine beetle.  The beetles used to be kept in check by annual -40 cold spells.  The last time we had -40 here was 18 years ago.  My sister until recently lived in the north west territories, where permafrost that has been intact since the ice age is melting.   

Not all areas are being affected equally, perhaps the north is where the greatest changes are being felt. 

As for my agenda: well I guess I'm concerned about the world my 3 little girls are growing into, but I still follow the herd and drive my car and heat my house.

Just am interesting aside on this topic:  Israeli scientist studying solar radiation have concluded that the amount of sunlight reaching the surface of the earth is several % than it was 50 years ago.  This is due to the dust created by human activities.  Without this increased opacity of the atmosphere the green house effect would be even worse than it is.   So I guess if you drive your car down a gravel road, you're not warming up the planet

[Marbees]

The majority of scientists today say global warming, global cooling, is nothing but an agenda. The vast majority of weather change is natural.

100% natural 

We are very humancentric, and like to give us more important role then we deserve, in everything that happens on this earth. Good and bad.
Even with today's numbers of the human population we are nothing more than a spec on this planet.

Climate was never a constant, and how I see it, it's gonna stay that way.
Please, don't algore me. Thanks

[Gypsi]

I cannot resist.

Algore Algore Algore Algore Algore Algore Algore

[brooksbeefarm]

Hmmmm, i seem to remember reading somewhere that someone was building a ARK on dry land, and everyone around laughed and made fun of him, until they found out they couldn't swim for 40 days and 40 nights. Oh well, i guess it was a fairy tell?? Jack

[Gypsi]

That ark builder did make history didn't he?

[lazy shooter]

While I agree that nothing is carved in stone, I cannot help but believe our actions on this beautiful blue ball are having some effect. Global warming, extinction of species, the polluting of our oceans...............................

The official debate topic when I was a senior in high school (1966) was  "Overpopulation"....I don't think we ever settled that problem and its at the center of many of our global 'issues' today.  Overpopulation is the reason for the extra pollution, the deforestation, illegal immigration, the expansion in use of raw materials and arable land.  We need birth control mixed with fluoride and send it with the aid overseas. 

Hear, hear, great post.  I wish I had written it.

[Gypsi]

not a bad idea.

[Ray4852]

Global warming is nothing but politics. We don’t live here long enough to see the climate changes. Every 75 years our earth has a little shift in its orbit. 75 years from now most of us wont be here. Our climate weather will go back to normal again.

[Gypsi]

Ray the planet will be just fine as soon as we go extinct.

I have grandchildren that already will not see things that I saw as a child, so if I feel better about reducing my electric bill and fighting the KXL and fighting the mercury puking out of Texas coal plants, I am all owed to do those things AND feel better about them. 

Never mind global warming. 

Don't eat fish because of mercury, especially if you are pregnant. How did the mercury get in the fish?  From the mercury in the air. How did the mercury get in the air?  from burning coal. 

How did the oil get in Lake Caddo?  Busted pipeline. See that on evening news?  Are you kidding, I live in Texas and the oil companies OWN the evening news. Lake Caddo is our largest natural lake.   

We already have tar sands being piped through and only poor people would live near a refinery as the air is too polluted to breathe but they can afford housing there and not out in the nice prairie where there isn't much pollution unless you are near one of the coal plants or the cement plant in Midlothian.

None of this is global warming. All of it is verifiable. We as a species are obviously pigs.  There is an island of used plastic water bottles in the center of the Pacific. Birds eat the plastic bits and die. This is not global warming either.

Have a good day.

[Ray4852]

We already have a new pipe line in place. Railroads. Its working. I hope we continue to ship oil by rail because I want my former railroad  buddies to keep their Jobs. I just retired from the CSX railroad. 40 happy years. I agree we don’t need another oil pipeline built to your state. We need the pipeline built to North Dakota . If we don’t build it. Canada will build the pipeline west to the pacific ocean. Who do you think will get the oil. China. No we build it up north on the Canadian boarder away from people. We need the oil. We don’t need fracking. Come to NY and live. People come first. We might have some of the highest taxes in the nation but our environment is clean. Do you remember what Ross Perot was trying to do. He tried telling the American people we own the country. He was trying to tell the people to form a new political party. He created American united we stand. The middle party is still there today waiting for the people to take back their country from the media and government. I figure our sun has about 2 billion years left before it runs out of fuel. Man will be long gone from this planet before our star dies. Lets go in the gardening forum. We can talk about gardening . 

[Gypsi]

I voted for Ross Perot.  Got us GWB.  I don't want to talk anymore.

[riverbee]

"Global warming is nothing but politics. We don’t live here long enough to see the climate changes. Every 75 years our earth has a little shift in its orbit. 75 years from now most of us wont be here. Our climate weather will go back to normal again."

mmm, some say it's politics, some say not. climate changes in my lifetime, already seen them in one form or another.......an earth shift in it's orbit? probably true, i am not a scientist. 75 yrs from now i won't be here........climate weather going back to normal?  ..........LOL!!!  i think we have all experienced unusual weather patterns in our areas for some time, so i am not sure what's 'normal'.

i grew up in montana, i see the glaciers in glacier park receding, and i see that streams and waters no longer contain or hold the species they once did (waters warmed), in part for other reasons, (mismanagement, pollution, mining), this affects other species..... but one of those factors is something other than 'environmental' mistakes.  i see parts of lake superior that used to freeze solid and isn't anymore.....?  what's the answer? 

i am not one to jump on a political band wagon, or believe anything i read. i am not one to jump on any cause.....but, i see, i observe and  i do believe we have contributed to the demise of the environments we live in and around us.  is it global warming?  does it cause global warming?  don't know, not a scientist.  but somethings up, and if you don't think so or haven't noticed..........well......?  don't know what to say. 

let me tell ya how politics and oil companies shut down the oil fields in north dakota 25 - 30 yrs ago..........ran my dad, and other welders in the fields silly improperly capping well heads to all those oil rigs that were producing oil at the time and are now working again......amazing.....hmmm......

[Lburou]

The one thing I've learned while earning this grey hair is that nothing stays the same, everything is in a state of change.  That includes our spaceship (earth) too. 

....capping well heads to all those oil rigs that were producing oil at the time and are now working again......amazing.....hmmm......

Off topic: that reminds me when I was a member of an US Air Force Accident Investigation Board, investigating the loss of an aircraft off the coast of Santa barbara, CA in 1973.  It went down in the ocean.....We never did find the aircraft, but found 57 capped oil wells just a mile or so off the coastline while searching for the lost helicopter.  A lot of politics involved there....I suppose they are still capped while companies from around the world drill just off our territorial water boundaries.  Off topic, but I feel better now.    ;-)

BTW, I heard an interesting report on late night BBC Radio that we are finding large (deep in the earth's mantle, even under oceans) freshwater aquifers and that will be the next area for providing fresh water to dry areas of the earth.  These deep reservoirs are being found around the world.  Anyone else heard of this?   I hope it works out for humanity as well as the flora and fauna too. 

[Lburou]

.... There is an island of used plastic water bottles in the center of the Pacific. Birds eat the plastic bits and die. This is not global warming either.
Have a good day.

I'm with you on this one Gypsi, we need to solve this floating plastic issue...yesterday is not soon enough.  If I was president, I'd  get a law passed to require all plastic and foam products be made from the corn plant (existing technology and biodegradable).