Author Topic: It's not global warming! (Read 29391 times)

Lburou · « **on:** October 10, 2014, 01:01:46 pm »

This year, the Antarctic ice pack has rapidly grown to the largest pack ever recorded. But its NOT global warming!

I'm openminded about this climate change issue....Our Spaceship Earth has been warming for more than 10,000 years, its a fact. But I reject the panic. Just last year the alarmists pointed to the shrinking ice pack and, red-in-the-face, yelled "Its Global warming, its Global warming!". This year the ice pack is trending in the opposite direction, but "its not global warming". You can't have it both ways and have any believability.

P.S. I remember a Time magazine cover in the 1970's that reported 'experts' were warning of a rapid change in weather, signaling the coming of an ice age. We have a lot of technology blooming now that was not available even ten years ago. We don't know what to do with it. You can't take weather records for one hundred or two hundred years and extrapolate a forecast for the future, much less say the ocean will rise 100 feet in this century without some hysteria and some hype. We don't have a good track record predicting the weather.

kebee · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2014, 04:20:34 pm »

How true, only GOD can and does control the weather, if he wants it hot for you this year it will be hot, if he wants it cold it will be cold, the same way with rain because he said it rains on the good and bad, but he will hold back the rain if a lot are bad and I think that is what is happen in Ca.

Ken

Perry · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2014, 05:24:30 pm »

While I agree that nothing is carved in stone, I cannot help but believe our actions on this beautiful blue ball are having some effect. Global warming, extinction of species, the polluting of our oceans...............................

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2014, 10:26:05 pm »

I too try to keep an open mind, and also avoid the panic.. not so easy to do if you decide to believe some of the alarmists.. In agreeing with Perry, I find it hard to believe that we are having no effect, and yet when I see the coldest winter in 20 + years, AND the Ice pack growing to record proportions I have to wonder....

Jen · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2014, 10:28:20 pm »

Farmer's Almanac says we're in for another long cold winter

Gypsi · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2014, 10:52:01 pm »

I guess living in the middle of a fracking field where they said our well wasn't good so at least I have city water, MIGHT influence my opinion.

I believe that the tar sand pits in canada are almost as ugly as the tar balls still buried in the sand on the Gulf of Mexico.

I believe I no longer eat seafood because it is contaminated with mercury from coal burning.

I believe that the tops of many mountains in appalachia are no longer there from mountain top removal coal mining

And I believe that my generation has made the world a very ugly place. I almost regret having children, I am so ashamed of humans.

but climate change? Who knows. I know that I will reduce the electricity and oil and fuel I use and the rest of Texas will sit in their SUV's with the engine and air conditioner running while they check email on their smart phones.

I believe the earth is a self-cleansing organism and the earth will survive, but I do believe we are becoming an endangered species and we sure can't blame the polar bears, now can we?

Jen · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2014, 11:02:09 pm »

Gypsi... you crack me up

Gypsi · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2014, 11:32:28 pm »

I'm having a glass of mead. I know more about environmental issues than you want to know Jen. I am going to quietly get drunk tonight. Have a good evening.

We do have something in common besides bees. we have 2 things: drought and fracking. Not sure how accurate this article is. Certainly Fox News, ABC, NBC, PBS and CBS don't cover pollution, that would be downright unamerican.

http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/10/07/central-california-aquifers-contaminated-billions-gallons-fracking-wastewater

Lburou · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2014, 11:38:20 pm »

I believe there is middle ground on these issues. I just had to point out a double standard in reporting.

riverbee · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2014, 11:48:54 pm »

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Lburou · « **Reply #10 on:** October 11, 2014, 12:49:07 am »

Quote from: Perry on October 10, 2014, 05:24:30 pm

While I agree that nothing is carved in stone, I cannot help but believe our actions on this beautiful blue ball are having some effect. Global warming, extinction of species, the polluting of our oceans...............................

The official debate topic when I was a senior in high school (1966) was "Overpopulation"....I don't think we ever settled that problem and its at the center of many of our global 'issues' today. Overpopulation is the reason for the extra pollution, the deforestation, illegal immigration, the expansion in use of raw materials and arable land. We need birth control mixed with fluoride and send it with the aid overseas.

Gypsi · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2014, 01:04:14 am »

There is NO reporting on most of these issues. I get most of my news from Twitter, email subscriptions and Facebook subscriptions. Climate change is almost a moot point made very small by the level of human and property rights abuses committed by the fossil fuel and mining, extraction companies. By the way I OWN my mineral rights and they are not fracking under my land. Had to go around. Yes it's money, but it is ONLY money..

Got some good news today, once again, double standard in reporting as in, did you see this on the evening news?
http://greenshadowcabinet.us/news/case-dismissed-transcanada-charges-against-jill-stein-daryl-hannah-eleanor-fairchild-thrown-out

Property rights are a big deal in Texas, unless Trans Canada needs to run a pipe through

Jen · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2014, 01:13:47 am »

Lee- birth control takes care of itself by developing illnesses, disease, and plagues. Fortunately, and kind of unfortunately, we have immunizations and antibiotics that hold the diseases and such back.

I was appauled at how many immunizations my two grandchildren have to have before they enter school nowa days. 27 shots each !! 27!!

Perry · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2014, 06:11:39 am »

Over-population? Absolutely. I think Lee is bang on, it is the primary root of most of these problems.

Gypsi · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:52:51 am »

We used to help developing nations with birth control at their request but that ended a few years back.

What doesn't happen in disease in South America happens in oil spills. Chevron has still not cleaned up its oil spills in the Amazon / Ecuador from 20 years ago. Ecuador sued and won, the amazonian tribes got a judgment, so Chevron claimed prejudice and got the case moved to New York City. If oil and minerals are present whatever local people live there without modern medicine soon acquire all the modern diseases.

But yes, overpopulation in India and China are really a problem. And over consumption in the U.S., proportionate to population we generate the most per capita pollution. And greed really is destructive.

I encourage my daughters to get my grandkids their shots. Except the flu shot, that one I won't even get.

brooksbeefarm · « **Reply #15 on:** October 11, 2014, 10:57:41 am »

In my short 76 years on mother earth, i have seen a change in the weather pattern. The storms are getting bigger and stronger, drought is getting more frequent in places that normally (Normal,now there's a word) had abundant rainfall? Over population leads to pollution, pollution leads to disease, some old and new ones like we are seeing now? Mother earth can only feed so many living things on earth, including the human species, and we keep polluting what everything needs to live, WATER, but the human race thinks it's smarter than mother earth and can control all that when the time comes.

Well in my book the human races isn't that smart or we wouldn't be killing each other because we don't believe the way they do

. My wives grandpa (a farmer all his life) never owned a tractor, and wouldn't use insecticides or herbicides, told me something that i try to follow. IF you take care of the Land it will take care of you. To bad are world leaders aren't as smart as that old farmer. Sorry for my rant, it's just the way i see it. Jack

Gypsi · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2014, 11:13:20 am »

Jack I am with you 100%. And no there isn't global warming in antarctica where the land glaciers melted and ran off into the ocean and freshwater freezes at a warmer temperature than saltwater. But I will be leaving Texas while my house is still worth something. Because the drought and heat within 10 years will be more than an inconvenience for those of us that garden.

We have climate change. We had climate change in 1980 after Mount Saint Helens blew and it snowed every 2 weeks in Dallas in winter of 79, hottest year on record in 1980. Now we have Mount Saint Helens in pollution every year. Rant over.

LazyBkpr · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2014, 12:15:29 pm »

I am going to disagree about the storms, at least where I live...

I remember thunderstorms lasting HOURS to days. Sitting in the garage watching lightning hit the street. I remember FEET of snow and riding the highways on snowmobiles to bring in stranded people. I remember dropping 12 feet down, from packed snow to wind blown bare pavement.. Stove up my sled pretty good and probably part of the reason I have back problems every now and then.
Today, thunderstorms come.. they HIT HARD and are gone an hour later. The longest storm we had this year was about 4 hours. It dropped about 5 inches of rain. The norm is now the 20 minute storm.. Thunder and lightning and wind.. maybe a tornado and a bit of hail, and its GONE and the sun is shining again.
I miss being cooped up in the house watching the lightning and hearing the thunder roll across the plains.. Now when a storm hits we all just pause whatever we were doing until it passes, and then continue on....

Gypsi · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2014, 12:20:58 pm »

Where you live Lazy is one of the more stable areas. The whole interior of the country is more stable than the perimeters. I'm heading mid-country and will be deciding where as soon as this house is ready to sell and my business is ready for the migration. Will depend on weather, soil, large farming operations (I'd sooner live on a mountain than near heavily sprayed soy), and so on. I'm an organic gardener and a cancer survivor. I've also been following climate, volcanic activity and earthquake activity as a hobby since my teens. I was in an earthquake in western Kentucky when I was maybe 9 years old? , years ago, barely a quiver, but I find it fascinating.

iddee · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2014, 12:56:27 pm »

In the early 1900's, they cut ice from the river here. In the fifties, I saw it freeze from the bank out 10 to 15 feet. In the last 30 years, I have not seen ice on the river.