It's not global warming!

[Ray4852]

Gypsi

what makes you think I’m rich. I'm just an average working man struggling to make ends meet like everyone else. I don’t own a corporation. The gas I put in my truck, I don’t own the oil company. The air they pollute is not my fault. You must think I’m some big corporate boss making 300 grand a year. Your wrong. We need the oil. Its better if we get it from Canada than dig up our land to get it. Don’t you think we would have more pollution in our country.  We live in a very dangerous world right now. We need every drop of oil we can get. We defend most of the world too. mellow out a little.

[Gypsi]

You are certainly defending some pathetically rich corporations Ray.  You and they have a great time.

I'm the next generation.  I am one of those super-environmentalists that is ruining our country. I use as little as possible of that wonderful oil made into plastic and all sorts of nice plasticky shiney things sold at wal-mart.

I do not support our going to war to defend oil resources in other countries. I am all for supporting our troops but I feel foreign wars are almost never fully won..  I know that is terribly unamerican and untexan. I just don't.  we use 100 times what we need daily. After the population drops off due to ocean rise, etc, we will use a more rational amount.   And we are our own worst enemy. The chief danger is the fear broadcast daily via our news media.  Listen to other country's news. We are nuttier than aunt Suzy's fruitcake. 

[Ray4852]

Who cares what the world thinks of us. We are the most generous people that walk the face of this planet. They hate us because we are successful in what we do. Why do you think our for fathers came her for. They wanted a better life. You think were crazy today. People back 250 years ago were crazy. We can thank them because they formed this great nation. We wouldn’t be here tonight talking about it

[barry42001]

Through out the life of this planet, cyclical extreme weather changes occurred. While people certainly do exacerbate what's happening, mother nature has been doing it herself for centuries.

[brooksbeefarm]

I don't hate Texas, but i don't have much good to say about Fort Hood army base. . White sand Hot and Rattle snakes. Jack

[LazyBkpr]

I think the prize was PERRY, you lucky devil. Jack

   ROFL!!   That got a heck of a laugh out of me this morning..; Thanks Jack!

   Iddee..  Your post filled me with a LOT of memories...   I am only 50, but I remember so MANY of the things your post talked about.. perhaps because were a bit behind the times?   I remember our phones being on a party line, churning milk/butter, and putting loose hay up in the barn.. and I remember making book covers out of used grocery sacks...    Thanks for a great trip through many good memories!

[iddee]

Actually, I stole it off Beemaster. I had seen it before, but still thought it needed to go around more.
I remember most of them, plus the old outhouse, and carrying water to the house in buckets. A sign of a boy growing up was the ability to carry his side of a number 2 washtub full of water to the house on Monday, which was always laundry day with the old wringer washer.

[brooksbeefarm]

Wringer Washer As a young boy t remember being at my Aunts home, they rented two apartments up stairs. One of the lady's was doing her washing in the hallway, you guessed it i got my arm caught in the ringer, it scared the lady so bad that she didn't realize she could stop the washer and separate the rollers, she just threw it in reverse and run my arm back out . I have a scar in my under arm from it. Jack
PS. i'm not by my self, i've heard of others who had this experience.

[Lburou]

Who cares what the world thinks of us. We are the most generous people that walk the face of this planet. They hate us because we are successful in what we do.

Yes, Ray, we are generous.....We borrow money from China and give it to nations and peoples who do not show any appreciation for the debt we pass to our children.   An endless and wholly unsustainable practice -we are headed for a train wreck.  We are hated because we are the superpower, and perceived to have everything in abundance.   There are upsides to China's emergence as a superpower, maybe those sights of dissatisfaction will change toward the East?     

The human impact on climate will never subside significantly until China and the far East begin to curb their emissions.  The oft quoted  4% of the worlds population consuming 20% of the world's energy dogma is 30 years out of date now. 

[Perry]

Ewww on the mouse.  I don't drink milk anyway.  If I could keep a milk goat alive I might.   so I am lucky number 40,000?  What did I win Iddee?

"I think the prize was PERRY, you lucky devil. Jack"

Sigh, I guess I gotta come out of retirement (that only lasted a year or two).
Do I hafta shave the beard off Gypsi?

[lazy shooter]

Who cares what the world thinks of us. We are the most generous people that walk the face of this planet. They hate us because we are successful in what we do.

Yes, Ray, we are generous.....We borrow money from China and give it to nations and peoples who do not show any appreciation for the debt we pass to our children.   An endless and wholly unsustainable practice -we are headed for a train wreck.  We are hated because we are the superpower, and perceived to have everything in abundance.   There are upsides to China's emergence as a superpower, maybe those sights of dissatisfaction will change toward the East?     

The human impact on climate will never subside significantly until China and the far East begin to curb their emissions.  The oft quoted  4% of the worlds population consuming 20% of the world's energy dogma is 30 years out of date now. 

Oh my God, another great post.  Just keep on writing for me Lee.  The smog in Bei Jing limits one's vision to 1/2 mile and it burns your eyes.  Flying  into Beijing you only see the tallest of buildings.  I don't have words to express how much air and water pollution China is producing.  When driving past one of their coal fired generating plants the air is back for a couple of  miles.  People in this country have  no idea what pollution  is.  China, India, and a host of other far east countries are polluting our oceans and air.  What we do in the US is a drop in the bucket.

[Ray4852]

We still pollute in the US. Its not as bad compared to what we did  in The 1940s to the 1970s. We created  china pollution. Our corporations closed up here to go over there for cheap labor. The people in china were glad to have our corporation come to their country.  Our economy declined at home. I remember what Buffalo NY and Cleveland Ohio looked like back 40 years ago, smog, acid rain and Lake Erie called the dead sea. Today these two cities are making a come back. In time they will be great city’s  again with high tech, medical economies. No pollution just clean living. What we have to do with china. Educate them. There history is ruthless. Some day I see another revolution there. Those people will get tired of their pollution too. We are light years ahead of them. What we have to watch here is our national debt. We cant live with 20 trillion dollar debt. The man I wished we picked for president compared to the man we have today was Ron Paul. I like is son too.

[riverbee]

let's keep on topic, global warming.
this thread is not about our national debt or about our presidents/elects, past or current.

[Beeboy]

We already have a new pipe line in place. Railroads.

Home work assignment...who owns these railroads?

Hint: He's a big donor to a certain political party that is fighting the keystone pipeline.

Is there a conflict there?

[iddee]

As riverbee said, it's about global warming. If it is turning to politics and politicians, the thread will be closed.

[Beeboy]

The question I asked has everything to do with so called global warming.

The whole thread has been political. How come every time I post in one of these the thread gets a warning to be closed?

[iddee]

I don't know. Is it because every time a mod gives another poster a warning, you continue on with the same thing? That's what it looked like to me on this thread. I didn't check any others to see if they were the same. I also didn't look to see who posted it. I replied strictly due to the body of the post. Also, I have already locked this thread once, then unlocked it after receiving a PM from Lazyshooter, the original starter of the thread. I have gotten too many butt chewings for political posts in the past to keep getting more. It's getting hard to sit down.

[Lburou]

...... How come every time I post in one of these the thread gets a warning to be closed?

Don't take it personally Beeboy, you are in good company as we all zigzag across that dreaded "political' line.  This whole subject, as it has been fixed in our minds by the media, is full of 'god' and devil' terms which are quite efficient at polarizing our thinking.  I confess to a personality that is equally at home with Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde, and it shows in my posts in this thread. 

If I had the skill, I would write something that would assert a feel good solution so we could enjoy our freedoms as we move to the next big issue.  If we can simply recognize that our thoughts, opinions and words are often unduly influenced by the slant of the media we frequent, we have made progress on this and other important issues facing us square in the face.   :-)

Iddee, I hope you are 'sitting' pretty tonight. 

[Perry]

If I had the skill, I would write something that would assert a feel good solution so we could enjoy our freedoms as we move to the next big issue.  If we can simply recognize that our thoughts, opinions and words are often unduly influenced by the slant of the media we frequent, we have made progress on this and other important issues facing us square in the face.   :-)

Iddee, I hope you are 'sitting' pretty tonight. 

Lee, two things:
# 1 - I do believe that you have the eloquence to tell me to go take a flying head-first leap into the biggest manure pile known to mankind, and I would be smiling, all the while thanking you as I was doing it!
# 2 - Iddee doesn't do "anything" pretty.

[Gypsi]

In 1986 I ran a computer bulletin board in Dallas. I was about 27 at the time, and consulting the 16 year old who ran a very successful All American BBS.  All American is a forum platform that was limited to a single topic thread.  I ran C-Net, with different "rooms" similar to the topic areas in this forum.

We were discussing BBS activity, after all we paid our phone bills (oh yes, all of this was at 300 baud or 1200 baud) and we ran these boards for the fun of it and expected there to be activity on them.  I asked him how he kept it so busy.  His answer?

"When things go slow I open religion or politics as an acceptable topic. When everyone is ready to murder each other or leave the board, I close the topic".

May I recommend you close this thread.  I will never be well with accepting the opposing viewpoint and I will not say why or I will further offend Lazy Shooter, and the matter has nothing to do with Lazy Shooter