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Emergency cutout, results TBA
« on: October 30, 2014, 10:51:54 pm »

Went to service a water feature in a wealthy area where a lot of residents bicycle and jog, and where kids might trick or treat tomorrow. This was Tuesday. My helper and I pulled up in front of the house where we would be working and I could see the bees buzzing in and out of the sprinkler system valve cover as I parked the truck. Clearly honeybees, clearly a hidden hive.  I cut a hive out of a valve box in July or August this year so I could tell what I would find under the lid without touching it. As we were finishing the water feature service, I spoke with the owner about the bees.  She tried to hand me the 3 can s of wasp spray she had purchased. But she hadn't found the hive, she was aiming at the bees as they visited her flowerbed and shrubs. And she wasn't going to pay a high price to have those bees removed either.

I figured out how as I ran jobs yesterday, how to do it that is, with minimal time on jobsite, this box was right by the sidewalk with its foot traffic.   And today I did it. Wish I'd started at 7 am, it was 9, wish I had taken my smoker (didn't want to alienate them from the next smoker they see mainly).  I did light a bit of cotton hull fluff on the sidewalk to waft smoke into the pond area. Bees were diving into the smouldering pile for some reason?

Got liability waiver signed, handed her an invoice and got check before starting.
Spread out a sheet, put my nuc with a screwed on bottom in the center. Stapled a large piece of screening to one long side only.

Used a shovel to pry the valve cover up on each side. My gloves taped to sleeves I grabbed the valve cover and lifted it over the nuc, when almost fully dropped in I stepped on the lid, pulled screening up and over and stapled it down on the nuc.   and dropped it in Ledifini's yard on the table he set up yesterday. 

The adventure continues!


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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2014, 11:02:26 pm »
waiting.. taptaptap.. waiting.. taptaptap  :D
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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2014, 10:18:30 am »
You and I both. I turned the hive over to Ledifini, good learning experience, lots of stores actually in this one.  He is at work today I think, will call me if he needs help.... I need the water valve lid back in case it's former owner starts hollering...

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2014, 02:01:02 pm »
Well.  That was an interesting experience.  Spilled honey everywhere...got combs tied into the frames but I'm not claiming I did the neatest job of it...didn't kill too many bees...and now they're in a double-stacked nuc and trying to recover from the terrible, rude, utterly offensive way I treated their nice happy home.  Poor girls.

Anyway, they do have a queen.  I found her clustered with a bunch of bees next to the nuc and tried to pick her up (didn't have a queen clip).  She squirmed past my fingers and flew off.  A couple of minutes later I found her with her attendants on a head of lettuce in one of my garden boxes.  Tried to pick her up.  She squirmed out of my fingers and flew off.  Spent the next fifteen minutes looking for her and did not find her again.  I'm hoping she'll find her way back into the nuc with everybody else.  That, or maybe I'll see her again sometime today and catch her properly this time :)

Sorry guys, unfortunately I do not have pictures.  It was a hectic job, and the only two pictures I was able to take ended up ruined by glare.  After that, my phone was too sticky with honey to take pictures -- that touch screen doesn't work well when it's covered in honey :)  After they've settled down I'll try to get some pictures of the inside of the hive and post them.

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2014, 02:03:38 pm »
Good job Ledifini.  I should have left you a queen clip, I have several, and I too have lost a queen near November.  Hopefully yours will come back.

Glad to know my snatch and grab left brood and queen unharmed and in the box.  30 second removals, well I hadn't heard of one and this was my first time.

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2014, 02:21:25 pm »
A while back someone had a floorboard cutout to do. I think this, with custom equipment (my cheapo swarm catch nuc's with 1 inch drilled front opening, tomato paste front door and screwed on 1/4 inch plywood bottom) might be the technique for shed floors where the dimensions of the hive can be predetermined and it is hung from inexpensive floor boards.

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2014, 06:29:58 pm »
Here's one picture at least -- what's left of the original nest, with bees cleaning it out bit by bit.



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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2014, 06:31:37 pm »
have you seen a returning queen?  Not that she wants to be seen, she probably slipped back in when you went indoors.  We hope

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2014, 09:10:36 pm »
No, I haven't seen her again.  But they did settle down and mostly go back in the hive around 2 in the afternoon, and they did it pretty suddenly -- so I'm thinking she may have rejoined them.  I hope so anyway.

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2014, 10:16:05 pm »
That is a VERY good sign. Here's hoping. check in a couple of days (or she may take off again)  BTW, what is in the top nuc?  frames?

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2014, 10:08:09 am »
In the top I have some honey comb tied into wooden frames, and those two plasticell frames you left on the outer edges.  Should I take out the plasticell maybe and let them build natural comb?

In any case, I'm in worrying mode right now :(  It got pretty cold last night and there was a cluster of maybe 50-100 bees on the front of the hive, all dead.  I checked and the queen was not in that cluster.  But I hope she made it inside; if not, we lost her.  I'm going to wait a week or so and then just see how things are looking.

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2014, 11:22:09 am »
Oh boy..  Worry mode..  It lasts through about 5 hives..  Once you get beyond that it starts to fade because you have the ability to fix about anything..
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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2014, 11:25:30 am »
Leave the plasticell in. Just don't leave an empty box or you will discover the meaning of Crazy Comb...

Someone emailed me about tomato paste, pic is worth 1000 words.



Tomato paste LID for front door.  I had a guy build me 4 nucs and they really aren't good for hives, not strong or stable, and he notched for frames but not deeply enough. They do make good swarm boxes. Since bottom boards are expensive and take more time to make I drilled holes in the front, screwed thin plywood on the bottom and used them for swarm traps.  They make ok  nucs for short periods of time, but almost need a spacer built of 1x2's to get a lid down snug because he also set the handles too high

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2014, 12:01:25 pm »
btw dead isn't always dead Ledifini.  A bee that appears dead when cold may come back to life when it warms up.  It didn't freeze last night, just got to 34 out here, probably 38 in Arlington, probably 40 in your sheltered yard/.

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2014, 11:55:21 am »
Update?

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2014, 12:35:03 pm »
They seem to be doing well, all things considered.  I haven't opened the hive since I moved them, but I've been watching them. 

I tried an experiment Monday -- closed it up Sunday evening and checked it in the morning to make sure the activity around the hive is the hive bees and not robbers.  In the morning there were maybe two or three bees buzzing around outside (my other hive was wide awake and foraging so there should have been many more if there was robbing going on).  I opened the entrance and there they were poking their little heads out and looking at me like, "Hey.  Why'd you lock the door?"  So as long as they have a queen, I think they've got the place locked down tight :)

This weekend I'm going to open it up and look for brood and/or queen cells and decide what to do.  If they don't have a queen I'm not going to let them raise a new one, I'll just do a combine with the other hive.

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2014, 01:15:05 pm »
sounds good

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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2014, 04:14:02 pm »
I love a good adventure.  :yes:
Next time your queen takes off and you find her, if you don't have a clip, just let her crawl onto a frame of comb (if you have it), and then move her, she's less likely to fly off.
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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2014, 12:26:04 am »
"I love a good adventure."

what perry said!  i do too.

"If they don't have a queen I'm not going to let them raise a new one, I'll just do a combine with the other hive."

this would be a good decision led...... :yes:

looking forward to an update to see if that queen made it back....she may have.
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Re: Emergency cutout, results TBA
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2014, 03:15:57 pm »
As soon as I know I'll post here :) If she isn't there they should already be building emergency queen cells right?