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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2015, 10:31:58 pm »
don't disagree slow, i don't watch much tv but listen to a little radio. it's a private matter......with that said...........imagine if it was you the famous bruce jenner..........would you get ahead of the media? or would you remain silent and let them 'slaughter' you and your family?

hard choice.  i think i would just let the media frenzy 'slaughter' me and do the best i can to get on with my life. but i am not in his shoes, or his family's shoes.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2015, 11:03:32 pm »
I agree squirt, his daughters i think i heard are okay with it so that should help him out. Gay had a different meaning when i was growing up, then when i went into the service i found iy meant something else. The first i ever heard of this type of thing was a married couple in our town had a flower shop, he was born and raised here, she was what people called, an army brat (father a career military man). Well the flower shop went under, they divorced and some people knew he was homosexual, but a year later it was found out that his ex wife is a man now. :o I had a hard time trying to understand this type of thing, and still do. I try not to be judge mental, that's Gods job, but there sure is alot going on in this old world that's hard to understand ???. Jack

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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2015, 11:28:38 pm »
When the Apple computer and Windows were first invented they had vastly different hardware.  Apple used the more advanced Motorola CPUs with a flat memory model whereas Microsoft went with the Intel CPUs with its aggravating segmented memory model.  The hardware differences were touted for years as why you should buy one type of computer over the other. 

Then 10 years ago, Apple decided it was cheaper to use the same hardware as Microsoft.  So today Apple and Windows use the same basic hardware.  It’s the software, the programming, that makes one thing a Apple and another thing a Windows. 

I’m not here to judge Bruce.  Like I said, I couldn’t care less what others do as long as it doesn’t impart my freedoms, or wallet.  But maybe there is something to be learned from observing how easily people’s minds have been programmed to believe some strange things in the past.  Heck, just look at how easily some minds have been programmed to believe the crazy things ISIS does.  Our brains hardware is all pretty similar, it’s how we get programmed that makes a huge difference.  Bruce now seems content with his plan of action, good for him, and he does seem like a descent person.  I would only hope others might consider some counseling before going through 60+ years of agony.  I guess I'm more of a believer in nurture over nature in this manner; or software over hardware.   

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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2015, 11:45:58 pm »
"I would only hope others might consider some counseling before going through 60+ years of agony.  I guess I'm more of a believer in nurture over nature in this manner; or software over hardware." 

counseling?
some go through 60+ years of agony because of what is supposed to be the 'norm',  and all those years to try to 'fit in' and struggle with it or what they may have sought out to 'straighten out' to fit in, and/our judgmental society and also struggle from those of us with judgmental minds, including parents, siblings, pastors, teachers, coworkers etc........?
we have no idea what he has been through? counseling?  maybe he did? maybe he didn't? can you imagine his own personal h * l l ?
i can't, and wouldn't want to.

hardware software mix up?  sorry this analogy doesn't fly by me. that's what you are comparing it to? 
btw logical how does his personal struggle impart on your freedom or wallet?

nurture or nature?
am unsure of what you are saying? please explain.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2015, 12:07:05 am »
Riverbee, what Bruce does doesn’t affect my freedoms or wallet, so I don’t care.  If I had to subsidize somebody switching around their hardware parts from one team to the other, then I would care; because it impacts my wallet.

Nature vs Nurture has always been a hot topic in Psychology.  The question researchers have asked is what really makes a person who they are.  Is it purely a genetic pre-disposition (hardware in my computer analogy), or is it learning (software in my computer analogy) after conception?  I happen to believe most of whom we are intellectually is based on learning (nurture) and not nature (genetics).  Just my opinion based on reading and observing. :)

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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2015, 12:38:58 am »
seems you do logical, or you wouldn't have started this thread?
we subsidize many things in the united states.

nature vs nuture? it is a hot topic in psychology and other arenas........is it genetic?  or as you say 'hardware disposition'? or is it 'learning',  'software' in your computer analogy.  learning from what?

so if a spouse repeatedly cheats on and beats his spouse, what category does this fall under? is this a hardware failure or a software failure? is this genetic or learned behavior?.......... and if they are not insured who pays for this?

or a child that develops schizophrenia? hardware, software failure? genetic or learned behavior?  neither parents or ancestors have the genetics for this? 

or are you wearing a badge of  judgment on someone who has or struggled/struggles with their identity? 






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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2015, 12:57:15 am »
LOL.  No, I started this thread because I think debate is a healthy thing.  There is often something to be learned from the other side of a debate too.

If everybody agreed with everybody else there would be nothing to debate about and little need for psychology; the study of the mind and behavior. 

As for the specific ratio of genetics vs learning of the behaviors you noted, I’m not God, I didn’t design the system!  I don’t know.  All psychology can do is research the observables and make some hypothesis.   


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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2015, 07:29:26 am »
Riverbee, what Bruce does doesn’t affect my freedoms or wallet, so I don’t care.  If I had to subsidize somebody switching around their hardware parts from one team to the other, then I would care; because it impacts my wallet.

Are you sure? If it doesn't now, it may soon. Down here in Texas, we have a bill coming up this week about whether or not Texas clergy should be forced by law to perform same sex marriages. If that doesn't infringe upon freedoms, I don't know what does.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2015, 07:48:39 am »
riverbee quote:

"so if a spouse repeatedly cheats on and beats his spouse, what category does this fall under?"

Are you saying he shouldn't? Are you saying he is wrong to do that? Are you being judgmental there?

Riverbee, we are all judgmental. We see things and form an opinion on them. There's nothing new, strange, or wrong with being judgmental. It is totally natural. The only time judgmental is wrong is when someone else's judgment disagrees with our own.

At least the cheater, beater doesn't go on national news demanding that his actions be acceptable to everyone. What is wrong and right many times is in the eyes of the observer, as many think only an idiot would play with a box full of stinging insects.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2015, 09:51:18 am »
At least the cheater, beater doesn't go on national news demanding that his actions be acceptable to everyone. What is wrong and right many times is in the eyes of the observer, as many think only an idiot would play with a box full of stinging insects.

uuhhh.........radical islamist and some of their crazy sheria laws come to mind!

Being in "neutral" never gets you anywhere, sometimes you just have to lock in the hubs!

Even though this may not get in my "wallet or freedoms" I am still entitled to my free thinking and can also be judgmental of you being judgmental about others being judgmental.

Really just more of the media desensitizing the world with all kinds of crazy things. If it is put in front of you long enough, soon enough you start to believe it is just the norm. Turned TV on last night and the Little Mermaid was on, first commercial was of a family that the dad was getting a sex change. What a joke, this should be family TV for little kids, not filled with some kind of desensitizing crap like that.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2015, 12:23:26 pm »
G3 you hit the nail on the head.  This is falls under the flaunting it I mentioned earlier.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2015, 12:46:06 pm »
What I hope is that Mr. Jenner will get on with his life that way he wants to, and stays out of the media. That will virtually be impossible with the paparazzi. He will be the main focus for the media right now until some other story comes up that will put his story on the back burner for good... I hope... for his sake. Every human being is entitled to live a peaceful life. 
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2015, 01:09:23 pm »
Every human being is entitled to live a peaceful life. 

Gosh I guess I had better unplug the tv and the computer for good.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2015, 05:45:09 pm »
Really just more of the media desensitizing the world with all kinds of crazy things. If it is put in front of you long enough, soon enough you start to believe it is just the norm. Turned TV on last night and the Little Mermaid was on, first commercial was of a family that the dad was getting a sex change. What a joke, this should be family TV for little kids, not filled with some kind of desensitizing crap like that.

Don't forget shows like Modern Family and that new show from Ellen.  They're going to bombard society with shows like that until their point of view is generally accepted.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2015, 05:49:14 pm »
What I hope is that Mr. Jenner will get on with his life that way he wants to, and stays out of the media.

He/she will have his/her own show about it.  They're addicted to publicity.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2015, 06:48:44 pm »
Two of my favorite shows Slow  :) 
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2015, 07:12:49 pm »
Two of my favorite shows Slow  :)

Well, to each their own.
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2015, 10:34:14 pm »

   I live in America, the United States of America, so I have the right to be judgmental. I have the right to my opinion.  YOU, have the right to yours as well, and YOU, have the right to ignore me and mine.
 
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Re: Olympic Hero
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2015, 10:54:57 pm »
Well, it may be just me, and if so, I take the blame. It seems as if tempers are beginning to flare, and we don't want that here, so I am locking the thread. Please don't anyone start another that could be conceived as a continuance of this one. Thank You
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