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What kind of bee?
« on: June 16, 2015, 10:36:49 am »
Forgive me if this is bad manners… used to be very common thing on the saltwater aquarium board(s) I used to frequent  (and would often be the source of disagreements as to what species the coral was….) But what kind of bee is this?



Sorry if the pic is bad, best I could do w/ my cell phone chasing them through my raspberries…
I've noticed my yard is frequented by some regular "Honey" bee's, that look exactly like the little one's I've seen in local's hives and from packages, these big bombers however, are frequently all over the yard… They're easily half-again as big as what I'm calling "honey" bee's, large black abdomen, sizable thorax that's hairy and bright yellow w/ black dot-markings? The "honey" bee's I usually see are smaller, have a dustier/brown coloring to the thorax, and seem to have stripes on them, vs. the spots I see on these. The large black abdomen and buzzing are distinct, as well.  Neither one seems to bother me or anything else. They're happily tumbling around through my berry patches and visiting the flowers in the beds….

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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2015, 11:49:50 am »
Quick answer is Bumble Bee. Many different types of them.
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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2015, 12:55:05 pm »
LOL! OK, thanks, so you mean it's different than the Apis melifera (sp?) that you buy in packages of Nuc's from a breeder? They're just some sort of native-species?
Do they inter-mix/breed? Are they a risk/concern for local hives, will they rob you if you have a hive nearby?

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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2015, 03:19:31 pm »
I would not think a Bumblebee would interbreed with Honey bees or rob from the hive.

About Bumblebees :

Bumblebees belong to the family Apidae in the genus Bombus.  There are more than 250 species of bumblebees, most of which live in the Northern Hemisphere with a few species in New Zealand and Tasmania.  They are social insects that live in colonies of usually less than 50 bees.  All bumblebees are covered in soft short hairs called pile that make them look fuzzy.  While they are usually banded in black and yellow they can also have orange or red markings or be entirely black.

To really know if you are looking at a bumblebee you need to look at the hind leg. A female bumblebee’s hind leg has a shiny concave place, called a corbicula that is bare though surrounded by fringe.  It’s used to carry pollen. Other large fuzzy bees hind legs are completely hairy and the pollen is carried between the leg hairs.
 
Throughout most of their range young bumblebee queens mate with males in autumn and then the males all die and the queen goes into diapause. Diapause is like hibernation but they aren’t just sleeping through winter. Instead, the development of the eggs in the queen is delayed and won’t begin again till spring.  At that time the queen wakes up and finds the perfect place for her colony.  Then she builds wax pots for food and stretchy wax cells that she lays fertilized eggs in. The eggs hatch into larvae and the wax cells expand as the larvae grow. The queen works hard gathering pollen and nectar from spring flowers both for herself and for the larvae. She chews a little hole in the wax cells and regurgitates nectar into them. The larvae need both nectar and pollen to grow properly.  How the bumblebee larvae gets the pollen depends on the species; some put pollen in the brood cell before the egg is laid and some feed it to the larvae in the same way as the nectar. The larvae go through 4 stages, called instars, and become larger with each stage. Then they spin cocoons inside the wax cell and become pupae. The pupae develop into adult female workers and soon the queen will have helpers feeding the young, cleaning the colony, and doing other jobs very much like honey bees. From egg to adult bee can take 5 weeks during which only the queen is able to find food, build the colony and feed and care for the larvae. When autumn approaches new queens will be raised as well as male drones. Male bees are created from eggs called haploid eggs that were not fertilized the year before. Haploid eggs can be laid by any of the worker bees although the first males are usually sons of the queen.  The only function of the male drones is to mate with new queens and they are often driven away from the hive by the worker bees as soon as they are mature.  New queens leave the colony as well.   Away from the colony they will overnight inside flowers or small holes and live off nectar and pollen. Once she is fertilized, sometimes more than once, the young queen finds a place to settle down for the winter. Meanwhile, back at the colony the old queen dies having done her part to reproduce her species.

Bumblebees and People

Bumblebees are used more and more to pollinate greenhouse crops not to mention many wild flowers and trees.  Sometimes, the bees don’t even have to land on the flower.  Their buzzing alone loosens the pollen and sets it drifting through the green house.

Now that we know how useful bumblebees are we are also aware they are disappearing.  There are 30 species of bumblebees worldwide that are known to either be endangered or that are thought to be extinct due to habitat loss or pesticides.

While you may not want them colonizing your yard you can still help bumblebees survive by planting your yard with a variety of flowers that will bloom from early spring to early autumn.  Bumblebees love most garden flowers and herbs as well as flowering bushes and brambles like blackberry and raspberry.

Unlike a honey bee’s stinger, bumblebees have a smooth stinger and are able to sting several times.  Fortunately, most bumblebees are calm and are unlikely to attack people unless the colony is threatened. To be sure these beneficial insects aren’t troubled by human activity it’s a good idea to keep your yard clear of brush, flat objects like board and stones as well as pipes and hoses as they like to nest under and in these thing

The bumblebee’s distinctive buzz is caused by the bee’s flight muscles which vibrate to keep them warm as well as to get them airborne.
 In the mid 20th century, an urban legend started that claimed the laws of aerodynamics proved bumblebees shouldn’t be able to flight due to the small wing to body size ratio. 
 Bumblebees don’t have ears.  We know they can feel vibrations on the ground or on plants but we don’t know if they can sense sounds in the air.
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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2015, 07:43:18 pm »
Bumble bees can, and will, sting more than one time.  I once inadvertently stirred up a nest of bumble bees, and received 10 or 12 stings on my arms, neck and head.  The stings were very painful, but they did not swell any.  Honey bees and wasps do not cause me to swell, but they do hurt.  The bumble bees stayed with me for quite a distance, so I do think they are quite offensive when bothered.  There are several species of bumble bees on my ranch, ranging from quite small to very large.  They are in interesting species.  And yes, that is a bumble bee in the picture, and no, they will not cross breed with honey bees.

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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2015, 08:20:45 pm »
The bumbles that come into my yard love the lilac bush, of which the honeybees never visit. Once the bumbles have reaped anything blooming in my yard, they then disappear.
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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2015, 09:41:48 pm »
Thanks for the info, folks!
I've seen some carpenter bee's around, and didn't know if these were them, or what?

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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2015, 01:56:02 am »
newbee, from the photograph, this appears to be a carpenter bee not a bumble.  these get mixed up frequently, they look so much alike and size wise, but the tell tale feature is the abdomen on each.......look at the abdomen. carpenter bees have black abdomens, almost shiny black and relatively hairless, bumbles are striped in colorful yellow fuzz (hairs).
your photograph appears to have a shiny black abdomen..... so a carpenter bee.........

if you google carpenter bee vs bumble bee, images will help you tell the difference.  ;)
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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2015, 06:29:28 am »
Thanks Riverbee, I was suspicious that it might be a carpenter - I've chased several off my front porch earlier this year! Those two were much larger, however. Are the bee's that gather the pollen and nectar different than the one's that go out drilling for a new nest? Earlier this spring I had a situation where 2 of the larger one's were fighting (when they weren't looking for holes in my porch). Killed them both, 1-swing ( ;D ),  but thought to myself, if that wasn't a sign there must be more in the area?

.. So foraging carpenter's bee's are different than the one's that go out looking for nests and fighting w/ other one's (there is a size difference, though I haven't seen any 'enforcers' since my shovel took those 2 out)? Do they have the same social structure as honey bee's? I'm pretty sure that it was a carpenter's, the abdomen looked black and shiny, not fuzzy. Saw another one last night, but wasn't able to see the leg-area mentioned in Les' detailed response.

I did however notice we're about a week away from the first Champagne Raspberry being ripe, can't wait, Yummm!!!

Thanks again!

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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2015, 04:04:57 pm »
I've had carpenter bees swoop down while a hive is open and abduct honeybee's.  They're on my list just below hive beetles.  I keep an old badminton racket out in the bee yard and over at my shop.  Whacking them out of the air is as satisfying as squashing SHB's  :eusa_dance:

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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2015, 11:24:35 am »
carpenter bees don't last too long around a strong hive......... ;D

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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2015, 05:57:38 pm »
Nice video!  One year I had a problem with bald faced hornets doing snatch and grabs off the landing boards.  Occasionally I'd find dead hornets dumped out front.  A strong hive can definitely make a difference.

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Re: What kind of bee?
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2015, 01:12:16 am »
i get birds that like to hang out and snatch and grab sometimes.  this video,  it took me awhile to figure out what they were taking care of.........a big pile of bees rolling around on the bottom board for some time. i poked around in it a couple of times to get a lookie see but the bees were not moving much.......... :D i figured it had to be an unfortunate bumble or a carpenter bee, usually carpenter bees.  wasps and hornets don't usually bother my hives too much, not to say i haven't seen the bees go after them, that and wax moths, they are done in a heartbeat!  it was funny when they rolled off the bottom board!
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