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Offline rober

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swarm queens
« on: June 22, 2015, 08:13:20 pm »
since most swarm queens are past their prime & their history is unknown how many of you re-queen a swarm later in the season?

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Re: swarm queens
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2015, 08:20:38 pm »
Most swarms will supercede shortly after the primary swarm. I let them. The swarm queen has proven herself by building a hive up strong enough to cast a swarm, so I want a daughter to carry on the genetics.
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Re: swarm queens
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 04:05:44 am »
A personal view. I don't want to put swarms into my apiary. For me, it's like including a nice looking stray into a pool of pedigree dogs.

I prefer to use an isolation apiary and check for problems then requeen from my main strain.

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Re: swarm queens
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 08:06:16 am »
Wow! That is quality control right there. I keep the swarm queen.

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Re: swarm queens
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 03:04:17 pm »
I bring swarms here to my home and set them up in the bee yard.
I call it a hospital.
I hive them and after a few days treat them with oxylic Acid vapor.
When they show no signs of  disease and are looking strong I move them to an out yard.
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Re: swarm queens
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 06:27:08 pm »
what iddee said.........

"Most swarms will supercede shortly after the primary swarm. I let them. The swarm queen has proven herself by building a hive up strong enough to cast a swarm, so I want a daughter to carry on the genetics."

if she has not been superceded, i let her alone, if i see signs of supercedure i let the bees requeen themselves.......as iddee said, for the genetics.
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Re: swarm queens
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2015, 11:24:30 pm »
In the US there is no such thing as as "pedigreed" bee, unless it was imported, and then artificially inseminated. If you live on an island or a minimum of fifteen miles from any other possible source of drones those queens WILL find a way to mate outside of their own genetics.
   according to Dr Seely, David Tarpy, etc...  queens will go as far as they must to avoid mating with their own drones,...    and I also understand that if they do mate with their own drones the bees in the hive remove those eggs? Only what I have read... Cannot verify personally.
     With genetic diversity comes strength and health.
   Raising bees that were called italians, was difficult at first. But as the years pass, it seems that my bees from local matings and feral hives/swarms begin to winter better, more survivors, less problems..   But my bees are no longer golden, now they are bronze, with black tip tails, or tiger striped, or dark like Carniolans..   They survive, and thrive, so I for one am quite thankful for the lack of pedigree, and the greater survivability.
   Like Capt44 I also bring the swarms here to my home yard. This is where I put hives to split, new splits/nucs, and problem hives I need to keep a closer eye on..  so cut outs and swarms also come here to be judged, grown, and then moved to an outyard if they thrive.  As I see it, the bees I catch from cut outs or feral swarms are the same bees I am raising in my own yards.
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Re: swarm queens
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2015, 08:58:20 am »
I'm with iddee and squirt :o( Did i say that O:-)) If i can find the swarm queen or the queen i am replacing, i will put her in a 5 frame nuc .That is if she was a good queen, and like iddee said about the swarm queen, she must be a good queen to over populate her old hive. There are many uses for a nuc during the warm production session, taking frames of eggs to raising queens, taking brood frames to boost other hives, ect. So why kill an older queen if she hasn't run out of sperm, the workers will do that and i will end up with a new queen. I won't kill a queen unless i know she's a dud. JMHO. Jack

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Re: swarm queens
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 12:45:38 pm »
I also use my home yard as a staging area. nucs, swarms, & removals are started here & moved to my main yard when they are up to speed.