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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 04:50:19 pm »
Maybe they can outfit them with tiny snowshoes and parkas.   ;D
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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 07:18:08 pm »
I have heard UBC's Leonard Foster talk on the bee gnome project and know a young guy that has been taking bees samples and survey of what beekeepers are looking for in their hives. UBC got a gene sequencing machine and are now looking for inventive ways to use it. It quickly and inexpensively charts the gene sequence. This data is compared against real data and a map of the species can be assembled. In real life it works like this by mapping the genes of thousands of beehives and comparing to real data of hives that are overly aggressive, They can find the area on the bee map that shows when that trait is present. Now that they have the genome map, they can test sample bees from a new queen and if that marker shows up on the map, then you will know that the hive will be aggressive when all the workers have been replaced by the new queen. In real time it would take a year to test for all the different attributes wanted in a hive. With the gnome mapping this can be done by testing the bees early. They may even be able to test the brood to get results 18 days earlier.
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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 08:52:11 pm »
Where can I get a dozen of them there Canadian Queens? Seriously, though I would be interested in hardier bee.

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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 09:54:59 pm »
"Seriously, though I would be interested in hardier bee."

ray, you want a hardier bee? russians and russian queens........but NOT from anyone else other from a member other than from the RHBA.......(russian honey bee association). anyone else advertising 'russian's' or 'russian queen's' does not have original usda stock/genetics.
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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2015, 12:17:23 am »
As Riverbee alluded too. How Russian, are the Russian Queens you're buying? By analyzing the workers with gene sequencing, they could tell you right away whether the bees poses the proper genetic make up to be good winter survivalist. Not finding out by finding dead hives come spring.
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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2015, 01:15:50 am »
Maybe they can outfit them with tiny snowshoes and parkas.   ;D
Maybe little snow machines :)
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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2015, 07:59:57 am »
 I'm planning on purchasing several Russian queens this year. One of the problems is the migrant Beeks bring in their less than great genetics (plus SHB and diseases) every year. Michigan is terribly negligent about Honey bees!

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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2015, 08:08:03 am »
@River:

Are your Russian bees HOT?  I am tiring of hot bees.

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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2015, 08:53:44 am »
ray, you want a hardier bee? russians and russian queens........but NOT from anyone else other from a member other than from the RHBA.......(russian honey bee association). anyone else advertising 'russian's' or 'russian queen's' does not have original usda stock/genetics.

Ditto.
When I was a resident of NY, I was looking into Russian bee's, and finding purebred stock is extremely difficult (owing as much to the nature of bee's as anything else!) They do however appear to have a lot of qualities that more northerly beeks would find useful. Their 'hot' temperment I think may be a bit over-hyped? Most people I've talked to that have them consider them hotter than some varieties that have been bred to be docile, but they're not overly aggressive unless provoked (insert political humor here...)

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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2015, 07:43:34 pm »
"Their 'hot' temperment I think may be a bit over-hyped? Most people I've talked to that have them consider them hotter than some varieties that have been bred to be docile, but they're not overly aggressive unless provoked"

what newbee said, the russians temperament tend to get over hyped, and a beekeeper needs to understand their characteristics (different from others) as to why they MIGHT be hot or get annoyed with you...........most describe them as hot because they may be accustomed to italians or calmer genetics and think they can work bees in flip flops, shorts and no veil, or minimal protective gear, or no smoker and not pay attention to other variables.  russian bees have some quirks and some adjustment/learning curve and management techniques different from others.......but once you learn this, you are good to go.

no lazy my russians are not always hot. it just depends. there are so many variables. yes, they probably can be or are more 'temperamental' than other lines of bees, but for me it is worth it. it's just all about paying attention. 

if you would like an education on russian honeybees, go to the rhba's  website, and/or reading material from each members website and what they have to say. email the association or one of the members, they are usually willing to help and answer questions. 

no one, NO ONE has the original russian stock except for the russian honeybee association, and they do advertise this in the bee journals.  annoys me when i see someone advertising 'russian queens'......ya need to ask them.
this was initially available to all buyers, so anyone advertising russian stock outside the rhba has by now 'muddied' genetics of russian queens.
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Re: Breeding winter bees!
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2015, 10:59:38 pm »
This is all heresay, as I know nothing first hand about russian bees.

The pures are very gentle. If you buy new queens from rhba, they stay that way. If you don't, then each time they replace the queen and the new one mates with local stock, they get meaner. After 3 or 4 generations, they get VERY mean.

Again, just talk I have heard, and what I have read.
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